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Not famously gay, nor actually totally famous, but an influential figure and oddly powerful. Yet today he is almost unknown. The reaction is often "Ah, yes. Him".
The picture may be a tad misleading, for he was not a singer, though the pose makes it appear that he is
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A bijou clue-ette
Actually it is quite hard to find a reasonable clue here, that does not give away the whole thing.
He started his career in retail.
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timmy
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Alive? No. But his memory is very much alive, and what he created lives on though it, itself has passed into history.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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I know this one isn't easy, but you will kick yourselves when you find out who he is.
He created an enduring image and brand from pretty rough hewn material. The brand he created is iconic, and, despite passing into history, will endure. Yet his was never the limelight.
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>He created an enduring image and brand from pretty rough hewn material. The brand he created is iconic, and, despite passing into history, will endure.
Stonehenge?
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ROFLMAO
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I should, perhaps, mention that he is English. Well, since he is no longer alive, he was English. The ting he became known for is a thing he had never done before. At the time it was a career addition, but it turned into a career change. Had it not worked he could have remained in retail.
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There's something familiar about his face, but I don't know if that's because it's because I've seen him before, or just because it's quite a generic face.
I hope I have heard of him, because I'll be seriously disappointed if I haven't!
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While not a star, he appeared in the UK on several TV programmes, and had a regular host spot in a segment of a US TV show. The picture is from that show. But TV is not what he is known for.
He died in the late 1960s under the firm impression that his homosxuality, were it to be known, would do desperate harm to all he loved and wreck what he had created.
Some months after he died the UK legalised homosexual acts between consenting adults in private (which actually really menat in a house or flat containing only those two adults (over 21)). Even so he may have been right about the wrecking nature of being a known homosexual in those days.
He launched several well known brands and also had some notable failures. Pretty obviously nothing is known much about those.
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I love the idea of a generic face.
He does seem to have a pair of eyes, ears and nostrils, one nose and one mouth, etc ::-)
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timmy wrote:
He launched several well known brands and also had some notable failures.
Timmy, what sort of merchandise did he sell?
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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That is more interesting. Prior to his new career move he was "in trade" in the high street in his family's shop.
After his new career started he sold what i think can only be described as style. But he was not the salesman, he was the creator. Some would argue that he did not create the brand he is best known for, and that argument holds water, but in the same way that a collander holds water. Though most drains away some remains.
The brands he launched are almost all not remembered as his brands. There is one major brand that exists to this day, that is sold, that he is well remembered for, and yet that is obsolete. Without his meticulous attention to detail it would never have become a houeshold name in the first place.
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I suppose I should add a little about the high street shop. There was more than one, and our man was great as a retailer.
The main enterprise was originally furniture. Later the family branched out into music and records.
These were the dim and dusty high street shops of 1950s post war England. National Service still existed, and everything was coured grey or more daringly "mustard" if I remmeber my mother's wardrobe of the time correctly.
Children were dressed like scale model adults, except little boys wore shorts with lomg socks held up (or not) by garters.
Corporal punishment still existed in schools and was well used.
Our man was rare. He was gay. That "just did not happen" in those days if you listen to the adults who were alive at the time.
Men wore hats to go to work. City gents wore bowlers (derby) and had rolled umbrellas and walked tothe station with a military bearing. Our uupper lip remained stiff.
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This seems to be going in longer than I expected. OK, I will give another clue or two.
The major brand (I call it a brand because it is assuredly not a single product, but an entire portfolio, despite starting out as one brand entity) remains, and goods with that brand upon them may be bought and sold today, though you are less likely to see it in the high street than you ever were.
Old examples of merchandise under this brand are collectable, some fetching stellar sums
A google search on the major brand brings up 11,000,000 or more results, the top of which is the brand's own website.
It is fair to say that the brand has lost parts of itself over time, though one could argue that it has been out of existence since the early 1970s. 50% only remains today, but the equity in the brand is perhaps stronger than it ever was. People who were not yet alive during the brand's currency still know it and either like or dislike it today.
And yet this was not the only successful thing he created.
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Look, you guys and gals. I know who this person is. And Timmy's deliberate obfuscations are doing my health no good - just sending up my blood pressure and reducing me to helpless giggles. So PLEASE someone get this soon. Please. Pretty Please. Anyone who had a heart would put me out of my misery. Help!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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I've been working like a dog to make sure the clues are good, but not simply googleable. To often we've been able to take salient points and just google. That is how I found Hopkins. This one is possible with research, but it requires research
Did I mention they used to sell pianos on easy terms and also rent them out?
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Ha ha! Very clever. I prostrate myself in amusement.
Brian Epstein
When you started talking about it going down the drain in the 70s, I nearly posted the Tory party as a silly facetious answer. Then it occurred to me that perhaps it was not a political group, but another sort of group -- like a music group. And when you mentioned that his brand ended in the 70s but is still very popular, that only 50% was still around, it just had to be...
The Beatles!
...of which he was manager.
I disagree that something like that could be solved through research, though. It was completely baffling to anyone who didn't recognise him. It required intuition.
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timmy
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What else can I say without giving this all away? Let me see.
Our man had a penchant for a bit of rough, and often (sometimes?) was beaten up when seeking assignations near the docks. "Hello Sailor" seems not always to bear the right fruit, it seems.
He was only in his 30s when he died. The death was potentially accidental, but may have been intentional. He had attempted suicide previously.
The music shop is farly significant in the career change
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timmy
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At last! yehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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You posted those clues after I posted who it was! 
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yup. Well at roughly the same time.
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