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cossie
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I suspect this one may be quite easy, so no clues yet, except that he enjoyed international success and is no onger with us.
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For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Off the top of my head (no cheating):
Graham Chapman?
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He really doesn't look very well in that picture, does he? Looks like it was taken in 1988, the year before he died of throat cancer and pneumonia.
He originally qualified as a doctor, but, by virtue of having been a Python, is now better known as one of the greatest comedians of the 20th century.
A couple of better photographs are below. (I came across the full frontal picture from "Life of Brian" and thought of posting it, but I'm not sure if it has the right air of decorum.)
About his life:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Chapman
From Wikipedia:
One of Palin's favourite stories about Chapman involved Palin's trips to collect him every morning for Python-related business: he would call up to Chapman's window and be greeted by a collection of young men before Chapman eventually surfaced, pipe in mouth. After Chapman made his homosexuality public on a television show hosted by British jazz musician George Melly, a member of the public wrote to the Pythons to complain that she had heard a member of the team was a homosexual, continuing on to quote a Bible passage which said "he who lies with another man shall be taken out and killed." Idle sent a reply saying, "We've found out who he was and we've taken him out and killed him."
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On the assumption that Deej has got it right, may I ask that in future we try to select people whose fame is not too insular? Alternatively, that we be a little more generous with the clues? Please. Pretty please.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Monty Python? Insular?
Apart from significant political leaders and major historical figures, I can think of few international exports that are better-known than Monty Python.
Possibly some Hollywood film stars, simply because America's film industry now dominates the world's popular culture. But even so, Chapman was an international film star, too. He played the title role in "Life of Brian" and Arthur in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", and neither film is in the slightest bit obscure.
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But I do agree with you in a more general sense. If it's not an instantly recognisable photograph, we should give a couple of clues that at least give those who don't recognise the person a sporting chance.
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cossie
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But yes, Graham Chapman it was. JFR, how do you define insular? If you are unfamiliar with Monty Python, I can only assume that you have spent the last 35 years looking for little fishes in the swamps of Sumatra! I seem to recollect that 'The Life of Brian' in which he took the title role, was recently voted the best comedy film ever!!!
As regards choice of pics, if the subject is relatively obscure it doesn't much matter, but if the subject is well-known it's pointless to use pics like those provided by Deeej in his post above. They are 'better' only in the sense that they are more obviously Graham Chapman, but surely the point of the exercise is to try to make the guesses run for a two or three days - in which endeavour I obviously failed miserably!
I did contemplate using this pic instead; would it have been a better choice? (I decided against it because it looks rather like me!)
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For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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It's certainly a funnier choice, but I'm afraid that makes it rather more blatantly obvious who it is. Sorry cossie, this thread would still have been over before you could even stick your head in.
P.S. If you want to laugh until you cry, you can see John Cleese giving his eulogy, in which he says that Graham would have insisted that he should be the first person to say "fuck" at a BBC memorial service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=fUYfkmgaGC4
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cossie wrote:
JFR, how do you define insular? If you are unfamiliar with Monty Python, I can only assume that you have spent the last 35 years looking for little fishes in the swamps of Sumatra!
Well actually you are not far off! I checked on the web and found that "Life of Brian" was a film that was released in 1979. At that time I might just as well have been in the swamps of Sumatra. 
I seem to recollect that 'The Life of Brian' in which he took the title role, was recently voted the best comedy film ever!!!
By whom?
I asked Timmy about "Monty Python". He told me it was a British TV show. It never reached the swamps of Sumatra.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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"Monty Python's Flying Circus" was a TV show. One that was world famous and continues to be popular amongst fans on DVD and home video. I admit that it isn't repeated much on television, but some of their sketches, for example
The Ministry of Silly Walks
The Dead Parrot
Spam (very possibly where the name for junk mail came from)
The Spanish Inquisition
to name just four, are almost more famous than the group themselves.
Monty Python itself was the group -- John Cleese, Michael Palin, Graham Chapman, Terry Gilliam and Eric Idle. Who did not just "make a television show" but also went on to make four internationally acclaimed films (not in order)
Life of Brian
Monty Python's Meaning of Life
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
and a couple of sketch-based films, Live at the Hollywood Bowl and And Now for Something Completely Different
Just because they are now "old" films does not mean they are insignificant. Perhaps as a film student I have a skewed perspective on this, but I am frankly astonished that there is a place in the world to which the name "Monty Python" has not filtered in some form.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python
Ironically, you would have been right on so many of the famous gays if you had said that they were lesser-known and insular. Unfortunately you picked one of the most famous comedians of all time, and for him that label simply doesn't stand!
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>>I seem to recollect that 'The Life of Brian' in which he took the title role, was recently voted the best comedy film ever!!!
>By whom?
The UK's Channel 4 survey:
http://www.channel4.com/film/newsfeatures/microsites/G/greatest-comedyfilms/results/5-1.html
Life of Brian is top and Holy Grail is 6th.
Admittedly UK-centric (and I can't believe that people actually find things like "American Pie" and "There's Something About Mary", both highly placed, funny -- I feel they lower the tone of the whole survey. Even so, for an "old" film to do better than modern stuff like that it must have something going for it, right?).
Even on the US-centric IMDB, Holy Grail is 52nd out of all films (not just comedy) and 9th in the comedy category; and Life of Brian is 136th, and 49th in the comedy section. Tell me these films are insignificant.
You might have missed these if you only watch modern rubbish (tongue only half-way in cheek) but honestly... puh! Tsch! Puh! Tsch! (in a Basil Fawlty sort of way. See episode "The Builders".) (Surely you must have heard of Fawlty Towers? Written by John Cleese? Commonly accepted to be one of the best, if not the best sitcom of all time? Well, HE WAS A PYTHON TOO.)
That's enough from me on this subject. Otherwise you'll need to bundle me into a cupboard to shut me up.
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Life of Brian was 43rd in the comedy section on the IMDB. Surprisingly low, I would have thought, but what counts is that it is 136th overall out of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of films in the IMDB database.
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Deeej wrote:
I seem to recollect that 'The Life of Brian' in which he took the title role, was recently voted the best comedy film ever!!! I asked: By whom? Deeej kindly answered: The UK's Channel 4 survey: My comment: QED
Deeej wrote:
Surely you must have heard of Fawlty Towers? Written by John Cleese? Commonly accepted to be one of the best, if not the best sitcom of all time? Well, HE WAS A PYTHON TOO.)
We saw Fawlty Towers here and were in fits of laughter all the time. A very good series. Pity it was so comparatively short.
That's enough from me on this subject. Otherwise you'll need to bundle me into a cupboard to shut me up.
Who on earth would ever want to shut you up? Certainly not me! I love your posts.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Actually, it was Cossie who said,
>I seem to recollect that 'The Life of Brian' in which he took the title role, was recently voted the best comedy film ever!!!
I have this terrible fear of using exclamation marks, so I very rarely use them. Three in a row would have traumatised me for life.
Yup, Channel 4 went through a "100 best" or "50 best" everythings. Films, family films, scary moments, musicals, comedy films, TV moments, albums, singles, movie stars, cartoons... Apparently they went out and polled the Great British public and came back and made documentaries about their choices. I suppose the programmes must have got good ratings, but they really only serve as a vehicle for nostalgia. If you don't know the subject matter already, then they won't teach you anything. Almost the opposite of what a documentary is supposed to do.
JFR said,
>I love your posts.
Oh My God. That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me on this board!*
(apart from all the other nice things that people may have said but I have temporarily forgotten)
*That exclamation mark was inserted after two hours of careful consideration, sealing myself in a secure nuclear bunker with the computer, dressing in full radiation shielding, and using thick lead-lined gloves to press the exclamation mark key. I shall evacuate the premises and fly on a one-way ticket to Brazil on a fake passport immediately after pressing the "Submit" button. You will know me next time I post as I will use the different and wholly unrecognisable nickname of "Deeeej". No-one will penetrate my cunning disguise.
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Gosh, I live in the redneck capital of the world, you know, back in the woods, where we have to pump in sunlight. Everybody I know in school knows who Monty Python is. One of the funniest movies I ever seen was the search for the holly grail. I mean like , Monty Python are like the Gods of comedy.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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cossie
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We, Grabbit & Scramm, Solicitors, are instructed to formulate a claim for substantial damages before the High Court for the grievous wrong committed by a member of this community, one Deeej (!!!!!!!!!), in omitting the name of Terry Jones from the list of those participating in the artistic work known as 'Monty Python's Flying Circus'. We understand that he may already have fled the country disguised by an additional 'e', in which case the action will be raised against the person calling himself Timmy, on the grounds that he was culpably negligent in allowing this outrage to be perpetrated.
And now for something completely different ... ...
Brian, would I be right in assuming that in Rednecksville the sunshine pumps are still hand operated. If so, do you find this offers useful practice for other leisure activities? (Answers should not be written on both sides of the paper simultaneously.)
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Absolutely Cossie, the rednecks around here have extremely stong arms and hands. Everybody takes thier turn at the pumps. a redneck here has never been known to get tired when taking care of something by hand.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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>!!!!!!!!!
%$£?^%. (*£&^* &^$%% *7&*)( @£"$(.
>omitting the name of Terry Jones from the list of those participating in the artistic work known as 'Monty Python's Flying Circus
:-[
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