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I'm very very upset with the terrible news about jewish mass murder of palestinian people. Patheticly the nazis victims became nazis murders!...
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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I think one might need some balance here. I suspect that there is wrong on each side. Israel was a state formed by terrorism and is not immune from charges of terrorism. Palestine uses terrorism to enforce it's claims. The media encourages both sides, who each "have God on their side".
Discuss this topic by all means, but the first sign of racism I will trash the messages that are racist. My judgement, no appeal.
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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I have moved his post here for tidiness. I appreciate the issue but do not see that it needs to take over the entire subject space on the board. Fernando, I have written to you by email.
Fernando says:
It's not a question of racism, but a question of humanity. All humain beens are basicaly equals and nothing, absolutely nothing, is more important that human life and the worst crime is killing someone. Respond with force to force is a barbarism.
The present events in Meadle East are a serious retrocession of humanism and civilization.
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I have not been around for some time and so I'm a little late in responding but I can NOT let this pass without reply.
I do not mean to attack but please listen!
I live in Israel and I am Jewish and I watch BBC and all international news channels so let me tell you this: NO one is unbiased because everyone try it as not have a personal view which enters the reports not to mention the fact that not all the facts are always noticed. Now I don't want to start a debate on this here because I don't think this is the place. But you don't live here and so you do NOT know what goes on here so please don't start accusing this side or that and saying mass murder is a very grave accusation!
If you would like to hear a little more of what is going on from people who live here just write me an email and we can continue to discuss this if you are willing to listen and not just hear and I promise to do the same!
BTW I would like to appologize for this harsh words but I get a little angry when people throw these kind of statments without considering the outcome of their words!
Searching for the light at the end of the bed...
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tim
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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There is historically more anti semitism than anti arab feeling (I use a lower case "a" on purpose to seek to define a class or person rather than a race/tribe).
We have a part of the world where much is hidden from us. I say this equally about arab and jew. On this board we have two Israeli citizens at least and potentially several more of jewish descent or faith or race. We doubtless have those of muslim faith or arabic descent too.
What I hope we can do here is to discuss the topic by all means, and do it as an example to Sharon and Arafat that all can get on peaceably. They wil never see it, but that matters little.
As for bias, I am biased. We all are biased. But the trick is to see the bas for what it is, and to learn to understand that bias and attmept to use it gently in our own (biased) favour.
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I agree.
As I was saying(or trying to anyway) is that having all the facts is one thing, which btw I don't think the international news channels have, but the light in which they are shown is just as important and obviously a totaly different thing.
As I said before I am more then willing to tell some of the things that go on in the area that are not shown world wide for whatever reasons that might be if there is some one who wishes to hear, I am not of course unbiased but I AM willing to listen to all as long as they return the courtasy!
Gil
Searching for the light at the end of the bed...
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...Both sides are just about equally wrong, if seen from an outside perspective.
From the Arab and Israeli side, they are both in the right. The Israeli stole the Arabs' land (actually, I do believe it was the British who did that to begin with, but the Arabs didn't actually get evicted until the birth of Israel so this fact seems to be largely ignored these days). The Israeli see their existence threatened by suicide bombers, missile attacks and mad gunmen shooting in public places. They are, from their own perspectives, both right.
From the rest of the world's perspective (assuming one is not pro-Israeli or pro-Arab that is), the Israeli are in the wrong for using their awesome military strength in a most brutal fashion on an already poor and oppressed people (for example, knocking down buildings without first evacuating them is quite an atrocity). And the Arabs are in the wrong for their suicide attacks centered mostly on Israeli civilians, with many Arabs applauding these so-called "martyrs". Even today I believe, gunmen shot several settlers, including a 4-year-old child whom could not possibly have wronged any Arab in any sort of way.
It's all just blind hate, and all hate does is fuel more of it. What's worse is, I don't really see how this could ever end. The most hardline Arabs won't be satisfied with Israel dismantling their settlements on occupied land in the west bank and Gaza, they want Israel as a whole put to the torch. And on the other side there are Israeli even in the parliament who want all Arabs evicted out of the country AND the occupied territories. So with such attitudes, how can such a conflict ever be solved?
Hope I'm not sounding judgemental, it's much too easy for me to sit here and pick things apart from several thousand kilometers away from where people die just about daily. That's not my intention. Actually, I'm not sure what my intention is. This post seem pretty pointless now that I think of it...
-Lenny
"But he that hath the steerage of my course,
direct my sail."
-William Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet, Act One, Scene IV
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Location: UK, West of London in Ber...
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The debate, the bloodshed, the alleged war, is about the removal of those seen to be in some way different.
The news from each side is heavily censored. The true picture emerges in brief flashes, usually so horrible as to defy belief.
Suicide bombers on one hand, the cold blooded (report of the) killing of 5 Palestinain policemen by Israelis on the other. In the gay case Mathew Sheppard as a horrifying incident (surley he must have provoked it? [rhetorical question for effect not requiring a reply]).
"God" is on everyone's side, of course. So everyone must suffer.
We can list attrocities for centuries and simply reinforce old aggressions and hurts. Serbs and Croats are a good example.
For sport we could invade Poland. It is a soft target, and easy to invade. We have the imbeciles in Northern Ireland, we have the Tamils, all fighting for what they believe is their "god given right".
And NONE of them is right, for any right that IS god given must surey be the right to exist in peace without heavy defences or heavy aggression.
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