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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Imagine the same picture angle, the same pose, the same "everything" except "something is different". Let;s make the shot exclude faces so we are not distracted by the looks of the model or models.
What is it that makes one picture really hot and the other one to be ignored?
Please do not post examples!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Imagination.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Interesting question!
I actually tried a little experiment on this - did a screen cap of a couple of dozen successive frames from a video - so the pix were just very slightly different from each other, but basically identical. It's true that I *did* find varying degrees of attractiveness, if not in successive frames, then in frames only a couple apart.
For *me* - and I'm very sure that everyone will have a different view - it seems to be a lot about body language. We all rely on body language to read emotions and attitudes (whether we get it right or not is another story), and I think that things that I read like "playfullness" "confidence" "fear" "apprehension" "enjoyment" "boredom" have a lot to do with how attractive I find a particular shot. I guess that where more than one model was concerned, I'd also get a feeling for how they were interacting - whether they were actually interested in each other! So, in this sense, I'd agree with Mrc that imagination (or interpretation) plays a big part.
I'm certainly aware that in the usual porn photo shots a *real* turn-off for me is anything which has obviously been posed, and where the models smile seems to be faked (a question of milllimetres of difference from a real smile, but one that most people recognise instantly!).
NW
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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There is such a thing as a hot porn pic?
I would have thought that if you were to ignore distinguishing features such as faces (and sex, obviously), one pornographic picture looks pretty much like any other pornographic picture.
I would honestly (and I'm not joking, that's the scary part) be interested to know (or see) what it is that other people think makes a pornographic picture interesting.
David
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marc
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Body language does indeed play a major role in the set up and direction of erotic film.
One reason is that most people tend to play film or video with the sound turned down and the motion is the only clue to the story line.
OK... here we go again...
Imagination and interpretation are very different......
Imagination is based upon each persons expectations of interpolated emotions from the film to themselves.
Interpretation is subjective as it is based on the directors expectations of performance.
As I used the procedes from this industry to pay my way through college, my observations are based on imperical observation and instruction from those I worked for at the time.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Some "porn" is directed to shock while some other is directed to tittilate.
The subjective nature of the viewer (to varying degrees) coupled with the exotic nature of the material will make evaluations besed on preconcieved notions of what they expect out of the art they are viewing.
What generally makes viewing pornographic art interesting is the animal nature of the emotions they provoke.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc wrote:
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> OK... here we go again...
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> Imagination and interpretation are very different......
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I suspect that different disciplines have attached different specialist meanings to these words, and film may differ from theatre, anthropology, psychology etc, and there may also be differences in usage between the USA and the UK. For your use of the two words, I'd certainly accept the distinction you draw ... but for me, what you call imagination, I would tend to see as an interpretation - a consistent derived mental contruct, if you like, in the mind of the beholder. But - as so often on here - I think we agree about the substance but risk being divided by a common language.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Pornographic art may provoke animal emotions in you, Marc, but I can't say it has that effect on me.
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To paraphrase what Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography or what is obscene, by saying, I shall not attempt to define pornography, or what is obscene but I know it when I see it.
Each of us has his own idea as to what may provoke emotions, animal or otherwise within us.
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I can't speak for you, Nick, but in my case I guess terror is an animal emotion. 
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What are you terrified of?
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marc
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I give the flaming fuck up!
I can't seem to make any contribution without some sort of fucking attack......
TO HELL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I've moved this reply back out into the main thread so that it doesn't get associated with Marc's original post, which is unrelated to this one.
Nick:
>What are you terrified of?
My comment was a joke, really. It's not exactly terror. However, I do find something disturbing about pornography. I can't look at it without thinking "this is wrong". It's not, before someone tells me that I'm a prude, that I have any objection to sex per se, but I do have an aversion to sex as a mechanical act devoid of meaning, and especially for financial gain. Everything I have read on this board and elsewhere has indicated to me that sex is the ultimate expression of love. But pornography is mass-produced "love" for a camera that can never love back: it is photographic prostitution. I, personally, have a difficult enough time coping with the thought of sex as an act of love without feeling that I am expected to be turned on by the sordid and meaningless acts played out on video and film for my "pleasure".
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Marc,
I appreciated your original post. I can't speak for Nick, but my reply to him was meant as a joke to try and lighten the situation and not as any sort of attack on you personally.
I must confess, the only emotion most pornography provokes in me is fear, but I know already that I'm extremely fucked up so I'm sure I'm not representative of the rest of the sane population.
David
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timmy
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I am lost. Who attacked you? And would you please not yell?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I suspect that those of us who cannot find an emotional response to porn are in the minority and quite possibly repressed in some way.
I wasn't making a value judgement about it.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I'm not sure that an erection is an emotion, though?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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... what you are saying. Illustration of the sex act means different things to different people, but to a significant minority it reveals that they are not alone; that what they thought was a perversion is shared with enjoyment by a wider audience.
I concur in the view expressed by previous posters that there is no joy in watching a video which is obviously posed and in which the participants are motivated by financial gain - but there ARE videos in which the pleasure of the participants is evident, and such videos helped me to understand myself.
I guess that the basic rule is that everyone should be free to plough their own furrow (OK, I admit that's a shade suggestive!) but that everyone has the right to make their own choice without criticism from others, provided that their choice does not involve coercion of any other individual.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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