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what in the world is that? I think ive got an idea and aint nobody cutting on it.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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... I'd think of the period of British history covering the reign of Charles II, or the renovation of antiques, or historic buildings, or old cars, or lots of other things - but since it's you, why is it that the first thing that comes to mind is foreskins????
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I was going to ask 'Restoration' of what? But I think you hit the nail on the head Cossie. Mind what you do with that hammer....
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Now guys....Tapping my foot on the floor. Someone mentioned being uncut ot partially restored. Question: Can they actually restore that?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Timmy seems to be the resident expert on that question, but if I remember correctly, there are a couple of applicable links in the link section of this site which you may want to check out.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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timmy
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You can restore the foreskin to a near natural state by keeping the remnant under tension. It makes the cells divide and grow additional elements.
The new prepuce covers the glans which them loses the keratinisation of years and returns to being mucous membrane instaed of rhino hide. Sensitivity during sex is imporved, but can never get back to what it was before the many tens of thousands of sexually sensitive nerves were removed whnen the penis was mutilated.
The foreskin itslef acts as a lubricant during sex, too. Your partner, male or female, will appreciate the difference.
However, US Citizens are unaccustomed to foreskins and find them odd to see. They also decalre them to be dirty an dunhygienic. A seriosu error, since the damp envirobnment under the prepuce is precisely what the glans needs.
Fore"skin" is a misnomer, too. It is not skin.
It consists of an outher surface which is normal skin, an inner surface which is mucous membrane, the junction between the two (all very much like your lips or your eyelids) and in between the two surfaces is a rather clever muscle - dartos muscle, that "manages" the structure to keep the prepuce at the right tension to cover the glans or retract when required.
The major yahoo group on foreskin restoration (over 4,500 members) I used to moderate was trashed by Yahoo with no warning, no right of appeal, nothing. I am awaiting their response yet again, but they killed it two weeks ago.
http://iomfats.org/resources/ may be a useful resource for you.
I started to restore mine, but major unpleasant surgery fpr other reasons has left me with scar tissue that refuses to co-operate. However all men with undamaged (but circumcised) penisis can restore if they choose.
I am not against adults choosing to be circumcised. An adult may do as he wishes. I am wholly against a parent deciding to cut off the amazing prepuce their son was born with.
There, probably more information than you needed 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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why would a civilised society want to cut what nature put in place.
but both cut and uncut are acceptable to day.
some people are for and some are against not a problem,although some people think that you loose some sensetivity with it cut.ale t:-
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If the adult chooses to get circumcised that is fine. The loss of sensitivity is twofold:
Once from the glans which keratinises and becomes less sensitive. It is meant to be moist and plump, not in any way wrinkled.
Twice form the huge number of sensory cells which respond to stretching and also from the frenulum whcih is often removed with circumcision and which is found by many men to be the most sensitive part of the penis.
The USA became circumcisers partly because of Mr Kellog of the cereal and Mr Graham of the cookies. They encouraged it because it "discouraged masturbation", which was "a good thing to discourage" and cured all ills of the time.
Foolish peole then circumcised their children "to look like his father". I don't recall ever being concerned that my father was cut and I was not.
I can tell you that masturbation with a foreskin was approximately twice as good as masturbation without, and that masturbation without a frenulum shows me that I have lost 90% of my sexual sensation compared with the circumcised state prior to that. I wish to do physical damage to the surgeon who stole my frenulum.
So, to get back "on topic", the foreskin can be restored and will approximate to the function and mimic the form very well of the natural foreskin except that you can never regenerate the nerves that were amputated, nor can you regenerate the ridged bands that contain the majority of the specialist sensory cells that give great sex.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Not only that, but you lose money by having to buy underwear to put under your jeans !
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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... with both Jack and Timmy.
I agree with Jack that in terms of relationships with others it doesn't matter whether you are circumcised or uncircumcised. Some people do have preferences one way or the other, but only in the same way as some prefer blond hair and others prefer dark hair - it's one small pip in the apple of sexual attraction.
But I am one hundred per cent in agreement with Timmy in condemning the misunderstanding which motivates both parents and the medical establishment in the USA. I don't like circumcision when it is performed for religious grounds, but I can at least understand what motivates those involved. The situation in the USA is wholly different; as Timmy says, it became popular as a direct result of the support of two rather unpleasant but extremely rich old men. The practice has singularly failed in it's declared intention to stamp out masturbation, but it continues to be widely practiced because of a completely unfounded myth that foreskin is unhygienic.
As Timmy has said, it is there for a purpose, and removal suppresses the level of sensitivity experienced in sexual activity. And it isn't unhygienic. It doesn't even require special cleaning. Horror stories about smegma are without foundation; if you are prone to sebaceous secretion (and most people are not) smegma can be produced in ANY area where the skin is folded, especially the groin, and - guess what - it washes away each time you take a bath or shower. The tales about fathers explaining to children how to keep their penis clean are also largely mythical. I'd guess that over 90% of male children in the UK have never been told specifically about this - it's all part of the package of keeping oneself clean which is naturally assimilated in the years when infants are bathed by their parents - most often by their mother. The vast majority of European males are not circumcised, and I promise you that we don't smell - except of course for the French, but that's because they eat so much garlic!
If you have any inflence in any US family, use that influence to discourage this barbaric and unnecessary practice.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I don't remember if I've ever commented in one of these threads, but I'll chime in just for the purposes of letting people know that I don't have an absence of feeling on the issue.
As I understand it it was routine to circumcise infants in the UK until the 1940s. In fact, I was shocked to discover that in the 1940s there were roughly 16 infant deaths in Britain every year as a direct result of circumcision. (Source: http://www.circinfo.org/review.html) Thankfully, the practice rapidly faded out as antiquated due to the fact that it had few advantages, and many risks. Douglas Gairdner's 1948 article in the BMJ was instrumental in the decline as it concluded that there was no medical reason for circumcision (Article: http://www.cirp.org/library/general/gairdner/). Also, the new National Health Service (NHS) in 1948 did not want to take on the burden of an operation that was mainly for cosmetic purposes.
It seems to me a great pity that there was never a similar movement in America. Could this be because there has never been a National Health Service, and doctors over there will do anything for a quick buck? All it would take would be for doctors to recommend against performing circumcisions (and I can't believe that any worth their salt would not be aware of the medical implications of the practice) for the numbers to drop quickly. Once a generation is "clear", it will become conventional not to circumcise, except for genuinely medically necessary reasons, as it has become in the UK.
As for whether infant circumcision can be justified in any way... well, as far as I'm concerned, the issue is cut and dried. It's simply not a matter for debate. I have no objections to adults making a choice about their own bodies, but I do have an objection to parents making an uninformed choice (because they have never known different) about those of their children. Unless there are good medical reasons (which there are not in the vast majority of cases), then circumcision is cosmetic surgery and should not be available to anyone who is unable to make a decision on his own. It should certainly not be available on the NHS. If the boy genuinely wants, on reaching an age when he is capable of making an informed decision on his own, to be circumcised, and is willing to pay for it, it is his own business.
David
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Smegma is actually beneficial. It has been positively indicated in suppression of the extremely rare instances of cancer of the penis.
Normal urinary, masturbatory and sexual function should remove all smegma anyway.
Any unpleasant smell (as opposed to naturla odour) indicates that something is unhealthy. This should be investigated in the same manner that unusually smelly armipts should be investigated.
Aesthetically I like the circmcised penis because it is more variable to look at than the circumcised one, and contains a hidden surprise. I find the withdrawal of the foreskin as erotic as the lowering of the briefs. Having said that there is no way that circumcision status would affect any relationship I was lucky enough to have.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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>I like the circmcised penis because it is more variable to look at than the circumcised one
I assume you mean you prefer the uncircumcised penis? Until I worked out that it must have been a typo, you could have knocked me down with a feather.
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oopsy. I do, of COURSE mean UNCircumcised!
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Quel Dork! I mean i like the UNcircumcised penis
Thanks Deej
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I never thought about it one way or another. Except for one thing. Im one of the few boys in school who is uncut. At this point aint nobody cutting on anything on me. However, Im probably gonna get grief for saying this, but I watch guys in the shower at school (ok so I look)and to me a cut penis is nicer looking than an uncut one. That might be because its diff from mine.
Hi Cossie!!!!!! ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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The additional great thing about an uncut penis is you have a "convertable". You can pretend to be cut by pulling the skin back, or go natural.
But what matters most is that you are a part of the new generatiom fo Americans who are learning that circumcision is a waste of time. It is something you can thank your parents for.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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... is probably the attraction. According to some discussion sites I've visited, a lot of cut US males are fascinated by uncut penises for exactly that reason.
So, thinking about this logically, while you're eyeing up the other guys, they're probably ALL looking at you!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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