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timmy
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"African Anglicans" - now that is a misnomer and a half - are objecting to the liberal attitude of American and Canadian Anglicans - another odd nomenclature - for ordaining and supportig active homosexuals.
The Archbishop of Canterbury seems to be against homosexuality, too, because "his" church is in danger of a major schism.
Do these people ever get a dose of real life?
Maybe all gay men and women should attend the "Alpha Course" which is against homosexuality and really piss these religious bigots off.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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I seem to recollect that Archbishop Desmond Tutu commented on the situation a while ago; he didn't specifically support homosexuality, but he roundly criticised his fellow bishops for wasting time on the matter when there were so many issues of vastly greater importance to which their energies ought to be directed. Perhaps one of the accomplished Googlers could find a relevant reference?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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timmy
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http://www.afrol.com/articles/11404 is a start
I really do find the concept of an African, American or Canadian Anglican a weird thing, though.
If this thing is "the Church of England" then the others are a total irreverance.
Were I God I would be readying my thunderbolts for all of this lot, plus the other weird sects. Anyone who felt they had to worship me would be in for a rough ride.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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If I remember correctly, Englishmen had a way of forcing their way around the world and taking whatever country they chose for their own......
Colonialism.... that is what it was called.... Something about the sun not setting....
I think that is how their religion got spread here and there....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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As did the Spanish, Dutch, Portugese, Nordic nations, French.
My point is that I really do not see an "Anglican" model, but I do see a "Protestant" model. Is the USA Anglican or protestant (where it is not Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox?)
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marc
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Protestant.....
but that doesn't say there arent pockets of lost Englishmen here and there....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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The language spoken by Americans is called English, because it originated from England, although it has pretty much gone its own way for a couple of centuries. Similarly, the Anglican Church is so called because it originated in England. The whole movement is generally described as the 'Anglican Communion', and 'Anglican' is the word normally used in the English Media, but in Scotland the Anglican Church is commonly referred to as the Episcopalian Church (=Church with Bishops), and the same is true in the United States. I have no information about the name used in Canada or elsewhere.
At the most basic level, it can be thought of as a semi-autonomous family of Churches, under the titular leadership of the Archbishop of Canterbury, which broadly follows the historic traditions of the Roman Catholic Church, but does not accept the leadership or authority of the Pope.
Many other Christian sects have split from the Anglican Church over the years, but it still offers a wide range of choices, from services which are Roman Catholic in all but name to services which are very close to the Wesleyan tradition. I was once an active member, and it was this diversity to which I was attracted. Even though I no longer regard myself as Christian, I am saddened by the lack of dynamic leadership - both in the fiasco over the proposed but suppressed appointment of the present Dean of St Albans as a Suffragan (=Assistant) Bishop after he had admitted that he was gay, though totally celibate, and of course in the present situation in Africa. Strange that the most positive voice should come from South Africa - a country which has suffered so much in the last half-century.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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timmy
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Why is "Anglican African" important, though.
Most of these nations have no interest in HM The Queen, the Head of the Anglican Church. Many despise The British Monarchy. The Archbishop of Canterbury is a political and British appointment, made by Parliament on behalf of HM The Queen, whose church it is.
So why are the Africans and others who despise her and do not "submit to her rule" Anglican?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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This is from "Afrol News", about the book "Sex, Love & Homophobia" published by Amnesty, where bishop Tutu has written the foreword.
http://www.afrol.com/articles/13584
Wikipedia about bishop Desmond Tutu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu
It's probably not so strange to hear positive voices from South Africa, with outstanding leaders like Desmon Tutu and Nelson Mandela.
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cossie
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The Queen is head of the Church of England, but not of the Anglical Communion as a whole. The Archbishop of Canterbury is the 'titular leader' of the whole shooting match, presumably because the Church of Englabd is the oldest component, but he doesn't have much executive authority - he is effectively a chairman. There is absolutely no parallel with papal authority.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... for posting these links to information about a truly great man.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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