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Why is it that where ever you go to school, the lunch room food always sucks.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Oh, I dunno...
My school's food was better than my university's canteen's food.
I even wake up sometimes with a terrible craving for Minted Lamburgers, evidently a secret recipe passed down from school cook to school cook for more than 600 years.
Hmm. Ahem.
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minted lamburgers ?
Thats why I always brought my lunch in highschool. That and when I was wrestling I couldn't eat most of the school food on account of having to watch my weight.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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cossie
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... you have no sense of the importance of history and tradition. School food is SUPPOSED to be horrible; it's an essential preparation for adult life. It has always been horrible, it is horrible and it must forever remain horrible. Good Heavens, allowing schoolchildren to have edible lunches would strike at the very foundations of society as we know it!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... that the secret's out! Minted Lamburgers are a staple dish on the menu of the J D Wetherspoon pub chain - or at least they were a couple of years ago - and very nice they are, too!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Guess Im gonna have to form the SLLA (School Lunch Liberation Army)
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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cossie wrote:
> ... (snip) School food is SUPPOSED to be horrible; it's an essential preparation for adult life. (snip)
I knew there was a reason I've always felt inadequately prepared for life as an adult!
Food at my prep school (age 6-10) was excellent, even if we did observe "Fish on Friday" and all meatless days that a rather old-fashioned Roman Catholic headmaster had ever heard of. Yummy suet puddings (jam roly-poly, parlourmaids legs, spotted dick ...)!
Food at secondary school was non-existent: dayboys were directed to use the local Municipal Restaurant. These were subsidised canteens provided by the City to ensure affordable and nourishing meals were available to the deserving poor ... lots of cities had them in the 1960's. However, from the age of about 14 I preferred to use the money to hang out in the beergarden of a local pub with "a pie and a pint" - looking back, local landlords were extremely accomodating, as my voice didn't break until I was nearly sixteen, so there is no way I could have passed for the legal drinking age of 18!
By coincidence, I had an e-mail today from my old school, asking if the proceeds from the charity cricket match that my class (Class of '72) usally plays against a scratch team (of staff, choristers, and assorted other debris currently at the school) could this year be put towards the building of a new Canteen!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Ah, now we're reminiscing in a verbose manner, I might as well elaborate.
The food at my pre-prep (4-7) was indeed excellent. In fact, the food was so popular with the pupils that the parents persuaded the cook to produce a cook-book of all her school recipes. We had a copy once; I've no idea what happened to it. But I remember our au pair making some of the recipes from it. They didn't turn out quite as nicely as they did at school.
The food at my prep school (7-13) was appalling. Frankly, appalling. It was produced by a company called "Chillers: Quality Food" and arrived in cardboard cartons in a van. The van had a picture of a delicious-looking spread on the side -- roast chicken, vegetables, a bottle of champagne. In fact, the kitchen staff just bunged them into the microwave, whipped them out, and slopped the contents onto your plate. So everything was always soggy.
The food at my public school (13-18 ) was okay. Not amazing, but my house was publicly acknowledged to be one of the top two houses for food. Some of the food was very good (Minted Lamburgers, whatever their provenance, were excellent); most was okay (I personally liked "Chocolate Brick", which was like a chocolate brownie, except harder and more powdery, and served with chocolate sauce, but most people found it so-so); and sometimes it was not very good at all. (We went through a "curry patch" at one stage, where normal dishes were made into curries simply by the addition of curry powder. I will never forget cod-and-baked-bean curry. When it was brought to the table, all 70 boys just sat there, saying "eeurgh" (literally -- it made a terrible noise) and refusing to eat it. In the end the housemaster had to get up and implore us to have some decency and pretend that we liked it.)
At one stage the school seriously contemplated building a huge dining room for everyone. It saves money, apparently. I was glad when they scrapped the idea. In boarding school houses, lunchtime is a great time for bonding with the other members of your year, and if the houses are mixed up, then people will tend to clump in groups of friends, not by year. And hence never get to know some people.
The canteen at my university isn't very good at all, but at least there is a bit of variety. And I can always go somewhere else, so it's not really an issue.
Was any of that relevant? Probably not. I could write a lot more, but I have to go now. Thank God -- it puts you out of your misery. 
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What are minted lamburgers though ? Are they burgers made with Lamb and mint, or does lamburger refer to something entirely different ?
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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they are made with lamb and mint no dout schools & pubs etc use them because fo the mad cows scare. but we are now clear as far as the EU is concerned,
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that sounds pretty tasty
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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lamb is very tasty but greasy i understand that the dutch feed it to their dogs, but us brits love it...?, :-/
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Lamb, tried it, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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no it does not make you run to the toilet!
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Lamb very often is greasy, but it doesn't have to be. It depends on the cut and the cooking.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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…had various names, some rather obvious.
Gravy and custard were known as gyp (alt. gip), toad-in-the-hole as frog-in-the-bog, anything with plums as damsons-in-distress, ice cream in sponge as Arctic troll, anything with suet pudding as stodge and perhaps the worst rhubarb crumble as period-pie and descriptions of its provenance were even worse.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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>Lamb, tried it, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
You never have it? Or you just don't like it?
Perhaps it's not really distinguishable from other meats when chopped up and covered in gravy, but on its own, really good-quality roast lamb (with a little gravy, redcurrent jelly or mint sauce, roast potatoes and boiled vegetables) is one of the great British contributions to world cuisine.
Or maybe lambs born and bred in the UK are just inherently better than lambs from the rest of the world, and the rest of the world doesn't know what it's missing...
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cossie
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You allow schoolchildren to have edible lunches and they grow up to be pedantic and boring!!!!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I tried leg of lamb once, sorry guys I didnt like it. I also dont like Deer meat, rabbit or squirl. And they dont tast like chicken!;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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>You allow schoolchildren to have edible lunches and they grow up to be pedantic and boring!!!!
Your hypothesis interests me.
Perhaps we should set up a double-blind study. We give one set of children edible lunches, and another set inedible lunches, but we don't tell them which is inedible and which is not.
We then come back ten years later and ask them to reply to threads such as this one on an internet messageboard. The posts that cause the least number of people to throw their computers out of the window in frustration are judged the more interesting.
We then look for correlations between those that were fed inedible lunches, and those which posted the more interesting posts.
There's a fundamental flaw in that study, but I can't quite tell what it is.
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timmy
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The flaw is so simple. The person serving the food must not know which is edile anbd which is not, either, nor must the person anaylsing the results afterwards.
Such carelessness
In terms of school food this is a "double bland" study though
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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>The flaw is so simple. The person serving the food must not know which is edile anbd which is not, either, nor must the person anaylsing the results afterwards.
You didn't need to point it out, you know.
(Though you're not quite right -- pedantically speaking, in a double-blind trial, the two parties who aren't allowed to know which group they are in are:
- the people being tested (the children)
- the people recording the results (and serving the food in this instance)
The analysers are allowed to know which people were in which group, provided they don't tamper with the data afterwards. Otherwise it would be very hard for them to test the hypothesis. If they are not allowed to know, either (and it wouldn't really work in this case, unless there were a fourth set of meta-researchers drawing the overall conclusions), that would make it a triple-blind trial.)
You're right on the flaw, though -- there is no way you could keep it double-blind, because it would be pretty damn obvious to the children and the people serving the food whether the food was edible or not. It might be possible to keep the people recording the data in the dark about which group each person belonged to, but not the subjects themselves.
Deeej
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I said,
>You're right on the flaw, though -- there is no way you could keep it double-blind, because it would be pretty damn obvious to the children and the people serving the food whether the food was edible or not. It might be possible to keep the people recording the data in the dark about which group each person belonged to, but not the subjects themselves.
Hmm... Perhaps you could say you were testing something else, so the children didn't even consider whether the food they were eating was edible or not. That would make it a bit blinder. Though it would be hard to keep something like that quiet for the ten years it would take to run the experiment. And it has ethical problems of its own.
I'm glad to say that I don't have to try and work it all out, as it's only a hypothetical experiment.
However (trying to pull this back onto a not entirely random topic) thought experiments of this nature do go to show how hard it is to do proper scientific experiments without letting bias enter the results. That's why I view almost all studies with a pinch of salt. I'm inclined to trust peer-reviewed, double-blind scientific experiments published in reputable science journals such as Nature. I'm not inclined to trust not-blind, non-scientific sociology experiments done by organisations with names such as "The Jesus Saves Anti-Difference Republican Family Planning League".
I'll shut up now. Trust me to make a mountain out of a molehill.
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I think I was talking aboutthe rat that runs aroud in trees and eats nuts. ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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About serious scientific work..
This reminds me of a study which showed that there was a higher death rate among elderly people than among younger ones.
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>About serious scientific work..
>This reminds me of a study which showed that there was a higher death rate among elderly people than among younger ones.
Mm, it sounds silly if unqualified.
But, if it pertained to a particular disease, it could well be a really useful study.
For example, you might want to test whether young people are more likely to die of testicular cancer than old people.
If yes, then that is something important to for doctors to know, and you should concentrate your efforts on publicising the disease to young people over old ones.
If no, then your conclusion is indeed -- "Old people are more likely to die than young people (of testicular cancer)" but at least then you still know which age groups are more at risk, and can plan accordingly.
Note: I actually have no idea whether young people are more at risk or not. But we should all be aware that it exists.
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Yes, it was silly, and unqualified, like in 'young people tend to live longer'.
My mind seems to be particularly good at remembering stupid information, like this one:
"Based on recorded data about the average height of soldiers, calculations show that our savage viking soldiers must have been less than half a meter tall."
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Oh dear god, I hope Jamie Oliver never reads any of this!
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Ok forget the food issue. Now I got to worry about cancer of my nuts.::-)
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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timmy
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"Brian! WHAT are you doing?"
"Testing for testicular cancer, mom"
"Oh, that's ok, dear. I thought you were masturbating"
"Later, mom, when I check for penile cancer!"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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That is so funny  )
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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cossie
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Deeej ...
Of course I know everything. I'm Scottish, aren't I?
Brian ...
You eat rats? And you still have the nerve to complain about school food?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... is entirely superfluous. All you need to do is ask me. I'm Scottish, therefore I know everything - even the cosmetic preferences of the average Komodo Dragon (Max Factor, if you're interested!)
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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To:
The Commander-in-Chief
School Lunch Liberation Army
Rednecksville, Tennessee.
Suckbutt, Kentucky
0330hrs, March 12, 2006
Sir,
As instructed, I infiltrated Suckbutt Junior High, masquerading as a drain cleaner and carrying a case of Jack Daniels. The rumours are absolutely true - the school is adding 25% haggis to all items on the lunch menu in order to make them less edible. Doesn't taste too bad in ice cream, though! Unfortunately, the additional ingredient is giving rise to severe psychological problems among the student population; most have begun to speak with a strange accent, and several males have taken to wearing a kilt when attending school. More seriously, the student body has unanimously voted to drop baseball and basketball from the curriculum and to replace these sports with Scottish Country Dancing. Could be interesting when the boys start to swing their kilts!
I await further orders.
Agent 069, McCossie, J.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Ah, Scotland. The home of the deep fried Mars Bar - a place where all culinary delights are massacred, and the place where Swedes swap names with Turnips and Turnips with Swedes.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Im sorry, I culteraly challenged. Your gonna have to explain the turnip and Swedes thing.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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timmy
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A turnip is a small, white, root vegetable. A swede is a larger, orange root vegetable.
Except in Scotland, where they have it backwards
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Thought a Swede was from Sweden. so Swedes are larger and orange people?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Except in Scotland where they are small and white and the scotts are bigger and orange. Ok, got it.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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