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Second thread - a red letter day!
My three reasons for knowing anyone:
1. They make you think
2. They make you laugh
3. They make you horny
Any one is enough for a friendship. All three at the same time in both directions... must be the beginings of a beautiful relationship.
Yours?
Not to worry; I'm sure that whatever drug this is will wear off soon and
I'll revert to full time lurking again.
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One of my favorite subjects!
To love unconditionally & care for others equal to self.
To be there for another even when it's inconvenient for you.
To put aside your own interests for another person.
To lay down your life for a another (friend or a stranger).
A friend is an understanding person who has seen your good & bad sides & still loves you anyway.;-D teddybear
Example:
Brian, I'd drive across the mountains for you, boy, if you needed me to!  Just say the word. I love you, Boy! Did you have a good day?? ;-D
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Hi Simon,
It's nice to have you on the board. Welcome!
In answer to your "friendship" post (I think I will abstain from the "love" post, as I'd have to guess):
You suggested,
>1. They make you think
>2. They make you laugh
>3. They make you horny
>Any one is enough for a friendship. All three at the same time in both directions... must be the beginings of a beautiful relationship.
I don't think that definition works for me, as I have met lots of people who have conformed to one or more of those criteria -- and many have been absolute prats! The problem is that that definition doesn't take into account reciprocity. A television personality could easily make you think, laugh and make you horny, but they wouldn't even need to know you. To take a less extreme example, I've known people who were very witty, very intelligent, maybe even attractive -- but it was unbearable to be in the same room as them as them as they were so arrogant or thoughtless with other people. (For some reason, it was usually people who were into politics.)
It's also perfectly possible to be friends with people who don't conform to any of those criteria. Yes, it's probably a more casual friendship, but it's still a friendship. And sometimes it can even turn into love.
By my definition, friendship requires:
- being prepared to put the other person's happiness above your own
In fact, I think that's all there is to it. It doesn't explain how you get to that situation -- in fact, whether and why a person likes another person is so complicated I'm not sure it could be summed up in a few sentences -- but I do think every other act of friendship stems from it.
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Greetings Deeej-
Thanks for the welcome.
When you said:
By my definition, friendship requires:
- being prepared to put the other person's happiness above your own
It reads almost exactly like what I said about 'love'
My intent was to get to know people without trampling on established threads.
Another part of my defination would be that I love/like/am friends with people dispite things not because of things.
S.R.
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Make me happy
don't leave when things are hard
not scared or nervous around them
funny and caring
plus the always important: doesn't suck too bad 
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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Is something you find here if you are on the "in" list.....
Otherwise it's a nendescript existance......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Greetings
'splaine it to me Lucy.
It sounded elitists, but in this crowd that hardly seems likely.
S.R.
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It is simple, if a little odd. There is said to be a clique here. I wish someone would let me in, if so. It's my site!
I detest cliques, but they can come into existence anywhere. When they do then those who feel outside feel more outside than ever.
There are groups of friends here, but the groupings are not exclusive. If you get on with people you befriend them and they you.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Simon:
>When you said:
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>By my definition, friendship requires:
>- being prepared to put the other person's happiness above your own
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>It reads almost exactly like what I said about 'love'
I've had a look at your "love" thread, and I suppose it does. But in that case, perhaps the problem is that your definition of love fails to distinguish itself from friendship?
>When you put someone else's needs ahead of your own...even when there is no logicial rational reason why you should.
Also it occurs to me that "even when there is no logical rational reason why you should" doesn't really add anything to the definition, as it is difficult to love someone without feeling some sort of obligation towards them -- and hence providing a rational reason to put their needs above your own.
>My intent was to get to know people without trampling on established threads.
Oh, don't worry -- everyone round here tramples on everyone else's threads. Sometimes they go off on the most bizarre tangents.
Please don't think my picking holes in your ideas is because I have anything against you. I just like things to be nice and simple and logical.
Best wishes,
David
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Greetings Boss!
Why be bitter when it is so easy to be elsewhere on the web?
Did you see my comment about a introduction/bio page? Opinion?
S.R.
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hahahahah "boss" roflmao!
Intro page is not possible with this software. And the software stays Much too much work to change it
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Greetings Boss!
Worked once...like to cause ao if not rof
Second forum?
SR
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Greetings Boss
Quote
*Description: How on earth can I put one sentence here to describe a life? Look at the site!
End quote
The rest of us don't have a site.
Best Regards
Simon Rutlust
* timmy's profile
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Greetings-
I love my friends - you? It is all shades of gray.
The 'rational' part is a foil to self interest.
In which world is anything nice simple or logical?
Never could sing- but love to listen!
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Please feel free to use as many 'e's as you like.
>In which world is anything nice simple or logical?
A computer. I'd add a smily face to show that was a facetious comment, except that there actually is something rather nice and therapeutic about using a computer (and especially computer programming), precisely because you know it will never do anything unpredictable or unexpected. When it does, it's always human error*.
>I love my friends - you? It is all shades of gray.
Well, it depends. As far as I'm concerned -- yes, love (as in sexual love) could just be a very great friendship (as it was between men in ancient Greece, supposedly). But I can't say it absolutely is until I have experienced it, however, so at the moment all I can do is wonder and comment on other people's definitions.
David
*though possibly at the manufacturer or developer's end. Very occasionally, computers will give unpredictable output if they overheat, or they are dropped, or faulty. But the ideal of computing perfection is a machine that does exactly what you tell it to, every single time. An ideal person is ... er, probably something challenging, spontaneous and unpredictable.
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>I love my friends - you? It is all shades of gray.
Well, it depends. As far as I'm concerned -- yes, love (as in sexual love) could just be a very great friendship (as it was between men in ancient Greece, supposedly). But I can't say it absolutely is until I have experienced it, however, so at the moment all I can do is wonder and comment on other people's definitions.
In a very great friendship, if sex happens, it is strictly incidental! Icing on the cake.
As far as the computers go, reading code looking for syntax errors was the bane of my existance, hardly "therapeutic" when the code won't run and the deadline is upon you.
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Easy words.....
but the reality is alot harder.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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>As far as the computers go, reading code looking for syntax errors was the bane of my existance, hardly "therapeutic" when the code won't run and the deadline is upon you.
Hmm. Depends if it's a nice language or not. In some it's easy to keep track of what's being stored and processed and outputted. In others, it's completely infuriating. What language were you using?
Maintaining other people's code, especially when it hasn't been documented properly, is usually horrible. But that's generally due to human error (bad documentation or clumsy programming style); it's not the computer's fault.
I myself find that the occasional "Eureka!" moment, when suddenly everything works, easily makes up for the constant disappointment when something goes wrong. It gives me a sort of high.
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> Second forum?
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> SRI wouldn't be a bit surprised.......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Greetings-
Languages: PL1, RPG, Fortran, Basic. By the time that C & C+ showed up I was no longer responsible for code, what a relief for a dyslexic programer! In those days documentation was a dream, and spaghetti was the reality and we weren’t even classy enough to be Fettuccine!
I’ve flooded the bathroom a couple of times in my career, but ‘Eureka’ what I was shouting.
By the way; explain the signature, or at least the ‘again’ part.
Regards
S
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>By the way; explain the signature, or at least the ‘again’ part.
It's the retort to the answer to the question "Can you sing?".
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Greetings
Marc, we gotta work on things here. Who/what is SRI? One day in the trenches and I'm not up to speed enough to understand sarcasim or much of anything else.
Have I somehow offended you in that short run of time?
Lots of little words please; in your reply
S
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No, but I LOVE to listen! What's the tune?
S
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Don't worry; I have no idea what he's talking about either.
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Greetings
Give me a break here, what the hell are we talking about?
Please reply in lost of little words, it seems to be harder to be sarcastic that way.
I asked Deeeeeeeeeeeeeej for the meaning of his signature, what is yours?
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Yea, but I'd like to know--- and you don't seem to care.
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It actually is quite simple.....
We are talking about friendship..... You should know this because it is your thread.....
The signature..... Well it means what it says.....
Either one is a member of the clique or one is not.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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OK
Lets go over into that corner and form our own clique!
Whom should we not let in?
I still don't understand -- your signature is based on my post??????
S
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... is someone whose arrival is always welcome, whatever the circumstances.
And in an attempt to clarify some of the obscurities which are challenging you ...
Deeej and his singing references: Well, Deeej was educated at Winchester College and, so far as I can establish, mental instability is a prerequisite for admission. Of course, he passed that requirement with flying colours! Actually, it all relates to curious college customs called 'Notions'. There is a Wikipedia article on this esoteric subject (but only because Deeej wrote it!) - I can't recollect the URL, but if you can't Google it, Deeej might tell you if you ask him nicely. But even when you find it, don't expect to understand - as I said above, mental instability is a pre-requisite!
Marc and his cryptic style: Well, that's just Marc, but he's a good guy at heart, with a wealth of experience and a heart of huge dimensions. Sometimes you may get the impression that he ac-cent-u-ates the negative and e-lim-in-ates the positive, but persevere! Behind the front there's a really nice guy with a great sense of humour! On this occasion, however, the confusion might arise from misunderstanding of the post to which he was replying. You need to place the cursor on the icon of the heading of a post and, keeping it steady, scroll upwards until you find a post with an icon immediately to the left of the cursor. On a popular thread, this can get quite confusing, which is why I tend to use a new subject line each time I post.
Right. That's all you get for free. Further cameos are available at $50 each; please apply on line!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Latin on this side of the puddle... give me a break
Translation please
what is your opinion on a intro/bio page?
S
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It's actually the motto on the Royal Arms of England, and is capable of several translations, but the one I had in mind was 'Dishonour to him who thinks ill of me'. I was 'got at' a few weeks ago because of my close cyber-relationship with Brian, and it seemed an appropriate response. However, all things ease with time, and I'll probably change it soon.
I accept Timmy's conclusion that a 'Bio-Page' is a non-starter on the current software, but I think I'd take that view anyway. Here, you can reveal as much - or as little - of yourself as your comfort levels dictate. If you go back through my posts, you can discover pretty well everything about me apart from my size in briefs. But I tend to favour the idea that it's up to you to decide how much to reveal, and the existence of a 'Bio-Page' might scare some guys away. I'd be much happier if they stayed.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Same software running twice. gateway 1 - gateway 2 Not a big deal.
I have so little time. People expose what they will, as the do now in extendeed posts. This is concept is just more 'concise' and 'up front' tne onter concepts.
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... but I've finished my single malt and it's time for bed!
Btw, is 'Rutlust' a real name of Germanic origin, or does it simply indicate that you have a lust for rutting?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
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I understand the love of a simple, predictable thing. A computer. a pet. a car (less predictable). Still, anything that gives enjoyment & pleasure without causing more pain & trepidation is a welcome thing.
AAAHH. A breath of fresh, spring air. This world is too full of bull sh_t . Mean people with all kinds of hangups & issues.
Find something fun to do & enjoy your life. Get off the bed. go do something for someone else! get your mind off yourself. life can seem a pain if we sit & consider al our pains. Keep moving. Show a ggod face. Smile & others will smile with you! That really works! if you can't smile, just part your lips & keep your teeth touching together & others will see it as a smile!
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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I swear, this thing posted by itself! now, i'll finish: Ahem..
where was I??... oh yeah friendship. Greek love, friendship & sex.
Human sexuality was designed to bond a man & woman together as a unit to create a family. The bond deteriorates markedly if more than the two partners exist (multiple partners). The family was designed to be a stable loving place where children could be born, have all their needs met & grow up with love & training to become well adjusted contributing citizens of the community.
The community looks out for the weaker members such as sick, pregnant, all women, kids, needy, hungry, visitng passers-by, elderly. Community upholds, lives by & teaches predictable rules so that all may lead a confident, calm existance.
There is a logical, planned way things should go. But that's not reality today. It's law of the jungle. the Adversary lurks about seeking whom he may devour. Bad spirits work in disobedient people. The world has gone away backward. We all struggle & reel. We're tossed about. Where's solid gound? Where's the shore? I need an anchor! We're all conflicted from time to time. love has grown cold. Families are divided. Nations are split.
Seek truth & beauty. Seek higher motivations. Live the way of give, not the way of get. It seems counterintuitive but the rewards of it are everlasting. Humble yourself to love one another & the fruits will surely be a bountiful harvest.
Life will not be easy because it is but a training ground. It's a test we're enduring that exposes our character. None is perfect, at least not me. Do the best you can, then forget about the rest. Who could ask for more from you than to do the best you can? Hold on to truths we find. others will laugh & disagree, but if we find it true, then live by our knowledge. We can never do any better than what seems best to do at the time. Just do the best you can! life will work out in the long run.
P.S. I may be having issues with my posts coming under another's post where i did not intend. this was in response to deejay's post about simple, reliable, predictable things; with a musing on love. & dropped computers. I was a dropped computer. Forgive me if I do something unpredictable or spontaneous. Teddy
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You have just said exactly the wrong thing.....
The fact is that this place is the same as every other place.....
There are NO friends here..... Only aquaintences.....
and fleeting at best...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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There can be no concise definition of friendship, because the concept of friendship is understood differently by people in differing circumstances.
There are people who call me "friend" even though I doubt that they would put themselves out to help me if I needed their help. For them the term 'friend' just means 'an acquaintance I like'.
At the other end of the scale there are people who call me friend who would go from one end of the earth to another to help me if I needed their help.
I have been away from this MB for a few hours. I return to find an ENORMOUS number of posts in a HUGE number of threads. I cannot possibly respond to them all. Now you will all see that as a lucky break; I see it as being distinctly unfriendly .
Where do you guys find the time to write all these posts? Please lend me some. My need is desperate.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Well, that is your view. You are entitled to it.
There is whatever you look for. But you have to look and work at it.
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Websites, should one want one, are easy to coome by, and are free from places like tripod.
Otherwise there is sufficient space in your profile to put quite a lot, if you choose.
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Easy words here as well.....
But the reality is quite different.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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