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Greetings-
What would we talk about tonight? The field is littered with the usual suspects. Working in a port, the news of the day would be good fodder for me. Xenophobia should be a real hit here, the prejudices of the persecuted are the hardest to explain away, try as we might.
What can you say about the quality of Mercy in the age of terrorism? It does seem strained; forgive me Portia. My country is engaged in a great war, without admitting that there’ll be no end, and we have girded our loins and civil liberties in order to do battle, and I am afraid our loins and liberties will not survive the strife ahead.
Is it only me that wonders about the ethic of 20 percent of the population controlling 80 percent of the wealth and consuming an equal share of the energy — and thinking that it is their God given right?
Gentlemen, draw your keyboards as though they were weapons and salle forth.
S.R.
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OK
I don't get it. No comments? I don't want blood on the water or a horse head in my bed, but...
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... after two hours without a reply, so I'll do the decent thing!
Actually, the topic (or a variation on it) has been aired quite a few times recently.
It certainly isn't dropping, as the gentle rain from heaven - for that matter the gentle rain isn't dropping in sufficient quantities these days.
I think that the current United States Government is viewed with pretty grave concern in the West, let alone in the Middle East and elsewhere. There is a perception that the USA is unwilling to make any sacrifices (for example, in energy consumption) because such action might cost votes - so the rest of the world suffers the consequences of your profligacy. The current administration is also viewed as lacking in integrity - preaching the importance of international law to others, but ignoring it when it conflicts with what it considers to be its own interests. For all the rhetoric about a war on terror, most Westerners outside of the US - and, I would suggest, a fair proportion of US citizens - are deeply unhappy about Guantanamo Bay.
The United States is the most powerful nation on Earth. It apparently sees itself as a world leader, but acts as if it wishes to be a world dominator. What scares the hell out of us Europeans is the rise in religious fundamentalist power - not just on our Eastern fringes but across the Atlantic, too. The quality of mercy just doesn't seem to figure anymore.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I have no doubt that If asked the American people would make sacrifice’s. Problem is no one has asked them. As far as Guantanamo goes I also believe that Americans are unhappy about the reports of mistreatment of prisoners. But other then that they are behind a no hold’s barred policy on terrorism. Other then that you are on the mark.
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... but I guess that what I was trying to say is that if we abandon the law - even in dealing with terrorism - we are diminishing ourselves and our moral standing.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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And our original intent was that 11Sep01 wasn't gonna change us!
God are we changed - and none of it for the better!
S
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Ultimate power corrupts ultimately
When Richard Nixon wanted to exceed the constraints of law we ended up with Mr. Ford. To think we might end up with Mr. Chaney... quacking in my boots
S
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... can't resist saying this - I didn't realise ducks wore boots!
Mind you, Cheney's in an altogether superior league to Rumsfelt (not sure if that's the correct spelling, but I tend to cringe whenever he appears on TV, so I don't get to see his name in print).
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Spelling is not my strong suit.
See, I knew one the words were flowing that the content would follow.
SR
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I dont know if anyone is interested in what an American kid think, but Ill tell you anyway. Im not gonna Sally forth, cause that looks to prissy.
G. W. Bush flat out lied to the American people. What amazes me is that we have proof. We are supposed ot have freedom from religious oppression, but we vote an ass hole into office who is doing nothing but oppressing the minorities, and destroying 50 years of enviromental work. His regime, lets callit the 4th Arryan conservative brotherhood, Is doing all they can to errode our civil liberties. They are doing all they can to destroy the bill of rights. And the vice president is a bumbling, idiot and a fool. the guy he shot should press charges against him. Hes saying he thought it was a duck, got to be the biggest duck in history. That is an out and out lie. If anybody in their right minds think that Sadam Hussain was a threat to the U.S., they belong in a mental institute. We have the capability to wipe out any country in the world, and were supposed to be afraid of Sadam? Some of these other countries are starting to see the truth of the mater and started pulin gtheir troops out. We have a company over there who is doing thousands of dollars worth of work for millions, what a deal. If this crap keeps up, were not gonna have a president, were gonna have a high priest. I cant believe that bush is getting away with some of the things hes doing (by the way the small b is deliberate).
the quality of mercy. this contry is producing monsters. Young adults who think they can get away with anything, cause the worse that ever happened to them was a time out. Whats happening in the prison camps is a drop in the bucket. Look at the message some of these ministers are sending out. Matt shephards death, is occuring over and over and over all accross the U.S. because parents arnt raising their children and Ministers are saying its ok, cause queers deserve to die, and our government isnt doing anything to stop it, so it must be ok.
Ok, got that off my chest. Gotta head for school.
love you guys ;-D ;-D ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Our view on him/it are in lock step!
Well said
Simon
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Brilliant Brian, Bloody Brilliant. I wasn't going to put my head up again, bit i've just gotta say - i always admire & enjoy what you have to say, but you've excelled yourself this time. There's hope for the world when even America can produce kids like you. Go well
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Cossie,
What's your opinion on this?
Teddy
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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They did try and Censure Bush ((Feingold)I think it was in relation to the wire-tapping deal) but 'cause of the spineless Dem's it didn't really garner any votes. Really I believe the situation today stems from our two party system. It is nearly impossible for non-dem/rep (they're really the same thing practically) parties to make any headway in national elections. (as a disclaimer I should state that I'm registered Green Party).
Should also mention all of the dying troops. Dying partially because our government is too cheap to provide necessities such as body armor to the troops. Basically troops are responsible for buying most of their stuff. This stems from the problem of deceptive recruiters praying on lower-income folk that feel as though they have no other option. Did you know that recruiters can basically tell you anything to join ? In fact, once you sign up, if things don't turn out as your recruiter told you then you have no recourse. Thats pretty messed up.
This administration has really run-a-muck. Cossie is correct in saying the Rumsfeld is much scarier than Cheney.
The only thing that gives me hope for the future is that, since this administration is so extreme, it'll push people further towards progressive change and that change will be able to happen. I use the case of the progressive reforms that happened in response to the early 20th century in the times of Molly Hatchet and the all of the various christian groups (it's been a while since I studied US history and I left my copy of A People's History by Howard Zinn in another state or I would refresh myself) pushing regressive policies. Atleast that what I'd like to think : )
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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... especially about the profits made by American companies in 'reconstructing' Iraq. I have to say that history shows (at least to me!) that the US has always acted very much in its own economic interests, so I suppose this is nothing new. However, as a politically left-wing Brit, I am deeply saddened by the extent to which we seem to be following the US lead. We made a basinful of mistakes when we were 'top nation', but at least we did occasionally try to be ethical rather than self-interested.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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The list of mistakes (5,463,297 entries) or the list of ethical decisions (maybe three or four entries!)?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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A list of when you goverment was ethical.
another really really short list
Simon
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... but I can just fit in the fact that the UK has one of the strongest ranges of anti-discrimination legislation in the Western world - and legislating for gay civil unions isn't exactly a vote-catcher here, so it's difficult to see a motive if it ain't ethical!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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