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This had got to be the most bizzar question ever asked.
why are English ice boxes so small?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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I thought you were off to school.
Different shopping habits. When I lived there I hit the shops almost daily.
Not sure that is the right answer, or if there is one, but I'll hang my hat on that.
A better question would be: Why are (were-30years ago) their water heaters so small!
SR
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Ice boxes?
I may just be ignorant, but what do you mean by "ice box"?
- The little cubby hole at the top of a standard fridge for -- literally -- just ice?
- A small, standalone, upright freezer (up to about waste height)?
- The bloody huge deep freeze thing (coffin lid style) that goes in the garage or the cellar?
- A box you take on camping trips or in your car?
The big difference, I think, between English and American fridges is that Americans like to have nasty tall things which serve as both fridges and freezers. The English/British like "normal" fridges which can fit comfortably underneath a work surface, instead of dominating the whole kitchen. And, if necessary, a separate freezer. The big ones are a bit ostentatious, like nasty, wasteful American cars. The British prefer understatement.
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Simon:
>A better question would be: Why are (were-30years ago) their water heaters so small!
That's easy. Because in Britain, if you're cold, you put on another jumper. British houses are supposed to be cold and damp. It's bracing and it builds up moral fibre.
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How do your teens survive without that most essencial retreat?
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Midwestern slang for the whole refrigerator
S
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Personal showers are a Continental and New World invention. Traditionally, the British run baths, and stagger them through the day so that the water heater can cope. (In my experience, old houses may have many bathrooms, but usually there is only enough hot water for one bath at a time. That, I suppose, is because when the plumbing was put in, hot water was a luxury and people didn't bath every day.)
I can't speak for modern houses. They usually have modern plumbing. Not everyone has a stiff upper lip.
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Deej
If you shopped once a week for a family of 7, which was the norm when they replaced the 'ice box', it needed to be big. Granted a lot of products were still sold mostly in tins, but meat in a tin - it makes me shudder.
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>Midwestern slang for the whole refrigerator
Oh, right. Well, even though I didn't get it quite right in my list of possibilities, I did answer the question in my final paragraph.
David
P.S. These two sentences have been weighing on my mind:
>The big ones are a bit ostentatious, like nasty, wasteful American cars. The British prefer understatement.
As a true pedant, I felt I ought to explain that my use of the forceful words "nasty" and "wasteful" is not hypocrisy, as I didn't say that one shouldn't use them. However, on reflection I should have used some faintly ironic words, or a modifier such as "somewhat", to illustrate the point raised in the second sentence.
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No Message Body
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Come on fess up. Your just cheap
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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IM in school. Im one of those kids who can get around the monitor and bypass the net nanny. Course one of these days I will get caught and the worst thing that will happen is teach will say "Now Now Brian, smart boys like you are supposed to set and example, not do bad things like this". Then Ill just go back to doing what I was doing befor.;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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You should see a new American kitchen! My whole first appartment would fit in today's kitchens.
2 sinks (one prep just for veggies)
2 dishwashers (no longer emptied into shelves and then re-loaded. Out of one clean and back into the other)
computer desk/nerve centre
sound system
fireplace
and no one really cooks anything, the microwave is everything.
Go figure!
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Americans like the big freezers so they can put in a whole cow or a few deer. And if the Rolls Roice and Bently arnt rather large and ostentatious, and wastful, I dont know what is.
love you to Deeej ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Excuse me!!!!! I cook and Im darn good at it too.;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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but aren't you there to receive the wisdom of the ages (as gleaned from the under paid and over worked noble souls who think that they can teach) can you do that and this?
There are all sorts of reasons to learn, but the most important is so that you understand my classical illusions and obscure references!
Now get back to work!
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A fireplace in a new American kitchen? That's interesting. A real, coal-or-wood fireplace? Or some sort of stove?
It seems a bit counter-intuitive having a whole spare sink for vegetables if most stuff is microwaved. They'll never taste any good if you microwave them.
Apart from dishwashers and the technology, it sounds like it could be a description of a big, old-fashioned English kitchen.
In the British countryside, one thing that is almost ubiquitous in medium-to-large houses is an AGA. Techically, they're Swedish, but they have been very much adopted by the English (and Scottish, Welsh and Irish? I don't know, to be honest). They are big, always-lit stoves with built-in hotplates and preheated ovens. They are wonderfully easy to use, since they are never switched off: you just bung the food into one of the ovens. Usually they run on oil, gas or coal, though there are electric versions (those ones are a huge waste of electricity, I always think). Not only do they cook your food, but they can also heat water and much of the house if necessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker
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My kitchen is a full 6 feet wide and 12 feet long...... I do have a dishwasher, a roll-a-way in fact (found at a yard sale for $40.00) a 4 burner gas range and oven, the sink of course, and a small microwave (used ONLY for potatoes) and a fiar sized fridge.
I live to cook and have a wonderful assortment of cookware as well as small appliances and about every kitchen gadget known to man.
Add into the mix a collection of some 6000 cookbooks gathered from around the world (kept in a specially built library)....
All this with only 8 square feet of counter space to prep and prepare.
Not all kitchens are HUGE.... but we make do with what we got.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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To a certain extent, you're right.
The UK is cold and old houses are not terribly well insulated (big sash windows, no double glazing, no special insulation). Often any central heating is old and inefficient. So they are very expensive to heat.
It is also because of the British tradition, however. We do tend to put up with things (the "stiff upper lip") where other nationalities would be screaming blue murder.
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our ice boxes are small because we would only keep ice for drinks in it.
most people in the u.k. have fridge freezers and the american style fridge freezer is becoming more common.
but you must realise the british dont eat as much as americans that is why we are more petite. i.e. leaner.!!!! )
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>classical illusions and obscure references!
Classical allusions.
Unless that itself is an obscure reference... 
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I'd love to taste some of your cooking one day, Brian.
Maybe I'm saying that as I've just realised I've missed tea-time and will now have to wait until supper-time before I can have something to eat. How you Americans can cope without proper English tea (and cakes) is beyond me!
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But it was spelled right!
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I am working.....Im the one who shows the teacher how to operate these puters.;-D
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This was a general not particular comment. In general, wouldn't you agree?
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you'll start to see some on/off swithces. Great technology!
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We open our oversized fridge and dig em out and pop um in the microwave
Any ole time we want!
Simon
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>if the Rolls Roice and Bently arnt rather large and ostentatious, and wastful, I dont know what is.
Absolutely! But neither of them are British-controlled any more. Both are now owned by Volkswagen, and the Rolls-Royce name has been taken over by BMW. And, what Americans don't realise (on the whole) is that both are considered rather naff by the British themselves. Especially the Bentley, which is a far-too-expensive car for the nouveau riche and foreign market.
(Also note that, historically speaking, there were many Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars that were not ostentatious: they were built for specific purposes, not just to show off. The original Bentleys were built for racing; and both were very good, solid pieces of British engineering and technology. But brands change, unfortunately. The older cars are still very highly prized.)
Unless, of course, when you say Rolls-Royce, you're talking about the aero engines -- which have to be be big, because they drive the 747 and the the Airbus A380 "superjumbo", and are one of the last remaining jewels of British engineering.
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It's March! (happy green beer day to you all!)
Surely the 'greenest' of teachers got that learned by Thanksgiving. It ain't hard, Bill Gates has taken all the fun out of dealing with the electrons.
Simon
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>But it was spelled right!
Exactly! It's one of the hazards of using a spell-checker. I don't know if you did or not, but it would never pick up a mistake like that.
There are two words: "allusion" and "illusion". And they mean different things.
David
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and with all that I still love you;-D ;-D ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Microwaved tea... eurgh!
We've been through this before, I think, a few weeks back. The merits of real tea, and American "iced tea" (or "sweet tea" -- still not much idea of the difference).
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Actually, pretty soon all the cars are gonna be owned byt the Germans or the Japanese.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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>you'll start to see some on/off swithces. Great technology!
Not on AGAs, you won't. (Well, actually, they already have them -- people often turn them off during the summer. But often not. And they take hours and hours to warm up, anyway, so you can't turn them on just for one meal. It's not the point.)
The point of an AGA is that it helps heat your home during autumn, winter and spring. And it's always there and ready.
If it sounds like an extravagance, it's no more one than having the central heating on -- and if you've got an AGA, you often don't need it on at all, because you've got the AGA.
Great place to dry clothes, too.
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Greetings-
After yesterday's string, of course I ran a check. And I DO know the difference in the meanings, but I can't see the difference once it gets to paper.
I actually have two languages, the one i think and speak, and another that attempts to accommodate my dyslexia whenever I have to put thoughts to paper. In the old days I used dictation exclusively. My secretary was the very last one the company let go of in the late eighties.
I'm waiting for telepathy!
Simon
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Oh, you are sweet, Brian. Unless you're being sarcastic.
Hmm...
If you're thinking of buying a British car, try an Aston Martin. Or a McLaren F1. (Now, they are ostentatious. But also pretty much the fastest road-worthy car you'll find anywhere. 241 miles an hour.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1
P.S. Don't buy a Citroen. I have a Citroen Saxo. And the engineering is all dodgy and French.
P.P.S. Do you even get Citroen in America?
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Oops, make that 240 MPH for the McLaren.
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Once the water is brought to a boil - what effect does the method have on the infussion of the tea?
You wouldn't call the stuff that manufactured for resturant consumption 'tea' at all - hot, cold, sweetened, or spiced with fake lemon!!
I did bring some things back with me. I use my infusser and bulk teas often, and make a mean scone.
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My next class is programming. I can write a program in hexa- decimal and drive the teachers nuts. they stick a disk in and fire up CC+ and think they are real programers. ohhhhhhhhhhh, im impressed. I actually created an encrytion program that uses my own algorythem (I call it matrix ;-D ). The teaches here have been trying to break the code for over 2 months, and aint done it yet.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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Im never sarcastic. ;-D
I have actually seen a Citroen. I was so shocked I just had to know what it was. Reminded me of a dead frog in the road. Sorry, dont mean to insult your car, but gee, they arnt built for beauty.
Wanna know what I want. I want a PT Cruiser. Thye are just so cool.;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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