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It is my feeling that most people believe that they are never going to die. They can conceive of others dying but not themselves, so they dismiss it from there major concerns. I am on the side of the room that does not believe in God on faith alone. I would feel much better if I did because that would take a great burden off my shoulders as to why things happen, where we came from and where we are going. I would appreciate those of you on the other side of the room and the rest of you to tell me what you think happens when we die. To our Body our Being. Like Woody Allen said “I’m not afraid of dying I just don’t want to be there when it happens”.
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What is the relevance of the picture?
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marc
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Is a bit of a foul ball....
I was always ofthe impression that porn was off limits here....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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The Angel represented death. I was not aware of the rule on porn and I apologize for posting something that could be taken for pornography.
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Well, nudity has popped up here several times in "caption competitions" and Timmy's anatomical photographs and the like. It's really up to him to decide if he wants it here or not.
More to the point, who is the author of that picture? And why did you post it? If you can justify it I guess there's not so much of a problem -- it's "art" rather than pornography. But as it is, it does seem a bit gratuitous.
(Though I have to say, that is the most ugly-looking angel I have ever seen. Not the one in your second picture -- the one in the first. The look on his face appears to be one of absolute disgust. Why?)
Deeej
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marc
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Well actualy, even as art, any picture of obvious minors featuring frontal nudity and exhibiting an act of a sexual nature is a violation of the law...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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As the song goes - 'There are more questions than answers'!
As regards the body, the answer is simple: it doesn't go anywhere. Unless it's cremated or otherwise destroyed, it simply decomposes until it eventually disappears - unless, of course, you're lucky enough to become fossilised or to be preserved in a peat bog or some other freak environment! This is surely an undisputed scientific fact - after all, enough corpses have been dug up to demonstrate the truth of the matter.
Our 'being' MAY be a different issue, and philosophers have been arguing the toss for centuries without arriving at any firm conclusions. The best that can be said is that it won't be like the cosy picture many believers cherish, of a reunion with friends and family in something analogous to an earthly setting. In any event, resurrection on the Day of Judgement could be a bit of a bummer if you died raddled with illnes at the age of 98! If we do have a 'soul' or a 'spirit', it's something most of us do not directly experience on Earth, so the idea of Heaven as some kind of continuation of Earthly life is very hard to accept. If there IS any form of existence after death - which, frankly, I do not expect - it will be very different from what we have known in life. I don't want to provoke violence, so I'll say no more!
Incidentally, the pics don't bother me at all, but I have to agree with Deeej that I don't altogether see their relevance - and the Angel of Death does seem to be entirely pissed off with his existence!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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>Well actualy, even as art, any picture of obvious minors featuring frontal nudity and exhibiting an act of a sexual nature is a violation of the law...
That seems like a non-sequitur to me. I was not even thinking of art involving minors. And you have said words to that effect many, many times already.
If you were suggesting that the characters in the first picture are minors, it is by no means obvious to me. True, there's an absence of pubic hair, but I took that as an aesthetic thing for the sake of the picture -- and, anyway, many adults shave their pubic hair. Look at the proportions of the figures: the ratio of head size to body length and set. If anything, these people are longer and gaunter than most adults; they are certainly not minors.
It is up to Timmy whether he wants to keep the pictures.
David
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I like that quote from Woody Allen...... “I’m not afraid of dying I just don’t want to be there when it happens”.
I am one who believes we have some kind of existance after death, but that is of the spirit and I dont know if we would indeed know any of our friends at that time or be with any of our relatives. I think immediately when we die we know of nothing at all and are like we are asleep. If I get it right according to the bible we are then raised from the dead but live as spirits I guess. But as for having some kind of consciousness after death and until the time we are raised up by God I dont think there is anything. I dont believe in any of those people who think they have experienced some kind of near death experience. I was almost killed once in a kinda freaky accident and if I would have died I would not have known anything that happened to me at all. When I first woke up at the scene of the accident, I was totally unaware of what had happened to me. For those of you have an interest, I was hit by a 42" pipe wrench which was thrown off a 100hp vertical motor which was accidentally started while the mechanic was tightening the main nut on the shaft. As they sometimes say, I never knew what hit me...........until they told me the following day in the hospital. So now all of you know why I am so goofy dont you?
Ken
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timmy
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I have removed the picture.
Many things could have been argued about it, and since they were it has gone. Far easier to do that than enter into a huge discussion about it.
They were artistic, engaged in sex, and potentially underage, even if not real people. In some legislations that is unlawful. So the decision is a no-brainer.
As I recall the caption competitions were actually clothed or obscured in some manner, thus lawful.
Anatomical stuff. Not sure I recall any of that, but, those tend to depend on the true context and are lawful if contextually correct in most leglislations
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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The body decomposes.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hi navyone,
i bet you cant remember before you were born, so thats the answer to death.
Some would say that you move onto a special place but this depends on what sort of person you have been in life.
I must confess i have never met any person from that place strange isnt it.
But we must live and let live.
They say you never knew what you had untill it is gone life is to enjoy oh and to allow others true thoughts as well.
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Absolutely right, if cremation doesn't get you first.
And all the rest is guesswork. Maybe some people have their 'faith' that their 'spirit' goes to a better place after death. (Or a hotter one as the case may be...) That may be a 'comfort zone' for some, but the truth is that no one can come back to prove it. 2000 years ago, there weren't any paparazi, and the press at the time had trouble getting the story straight.
So most of us are left wondering what the hell we're doing, building up a CD collection we can't take with us. I guess that's just brainwashing. When was the last time you played the first CD you ever bought? !! 
Well, you'll find out when your time comes. Have patience.
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Greetings-
Some of us have very finite life expectancies, and I don't think it matters. Absolute faith would be such a relief, the weight of the world could be lifted from my shoulders, that I might not be responsible for this mess I call my life would be a great relief, but my mind isn't wired that way. Jacob Marley had it right.
I have been puzzling for a while about the purpose of 'experience' and my obligation to those that follow. If I alone am the beneficiary of my trip down the primrose path - then the system is fucked up and I'm gonna start a write-in campaign to impeach god.
My body is of little or no concern, but my essence is an entirely different issue.
Simon
Joy Peace and Tranquility
Joyceility
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Hi navyone.
I've heard many say over the years that some don't expect to die. often it's youth or teens being spoken of but some agree with you.
I suppose I'm lucky that I've always understood death & never had a fear of dying. My parents were real clear & factual in teaching us the things they did teach.. maybe that's why.
I never naturally believed in a god & perhaps still couldn't just by examining the evidence we have without His making Himself evident to me. Heck, anyone who'd had my experiences wouldn't deny a Higher Power I would think..anyway.. I agree with most all posted to date here. We die, decompose. No evidence of mass resurrections or even selective ones by looking into graves.
It is the spirit of a man that bible says goes back to god when we die. Kind of like a recording of all our experiences. Then an actual resurrection is supposed to eventually happen after the Great Tribulation at the end of the age of mankind on the earth. So we'll all have to wait & see. I haven't read where anyone has (or will ever) go to heaven.
I think the character we build now, the combination of all our experiences and whatever good we're able to do in this life is the main reasons for our life today. I do read of an incredible potential in the future, but I'm learning discretion in open forums on matters of religion.
I think there's bright hope for the future after this life, but being unable to convince any of same, suffice it to say "Do the best you can as long as you can & don't worry about the rest!"
love ya', TeddyBear
Life's a trip * Friends help you through * Adventure on life!
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Handyman wrote:
I haven't read where anyone has (or will ever) go to heaven.
I am no Christian, but even I can point to Luke 23.43. Our physical bodies decompose (unless you were lucky enough to be a pharaoh); anything else is just belief and faith. There is no objective evidence for an afterlife. (That, of course, doesn't mean that there is not one. The jury is still out on that one.)
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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