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Math  [message #30505] Fri, 31 March 2006 00:32 Go to next message
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If a mathamitician can show mathamaticly that someting is so, does that make it so. Two professors mathamaticly proved that there are things called Tachions. they have the opposit characteristics of mater as we know it. Not antimater. Where the upper limit of mater in this universe is the speed of light, Tachions have the opposit, they cant move slower than the speed of light.. In this case two beings one created out of matter, the other out of tachions, could inhabit the same place in time and space and not be aware of each other.



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Tachyons  [message #30509 is a reply to message #30505] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>If a mathamitician can show mathamaticly that someting is so, does that make it so.

Only if the mathematics is entirely correct for all cases (i.e. it does not make assumptions that are not always true), and the theories on which it is based are entirely flawless (of which we can never be certain).

>Two professors mathamaticly proved that there are things called Tachions.

Which professors?

I know that tachyons appear in some theories, but I was under the impression that they were entirely theoretical and there was no proof of their existence. Also, anything that goes faster than light starts causing grave causality problems.

>In this case two beings one created out of matter, the other out of tachions, could inhabit the same place in time and space and not be aware of each other.

I can't comment on that, but it does sound like a science-fiction concept rather than a science-fact one. Where did you hear it?

>they have the opposit characteristics of mater as we know it.

That, I believe, would be Pater. Though it is probably not a good idea to refer to one's mother as "it".

(Joke.)

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Everybody knows beings made from tachyons ...  [message #30510 is a reply to message #30505] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... they work in call-centres, which explains why they are always unaware of ordinary mortal callers!

Seriously, though, the answer is no. The tachyon is, for the moment, entirely imaginary; the mathematical proposition merely shows that such particles are logically possible, but that doesn't mean that they actually exist. As with our understanding of the particles in an atom, sometimes pure science moves forward by observing something which actually happens and sometimes it moves forward by looking for, and eventually proving the existence of, something which has been theoretically predicted. But, for now, the tachyon is a concept of mathematics rather than a discovery of physics.

Interesting idea, and a google search will bring up all sorts of strange things. Best tackled on a clear head, though!



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Re: Everybody knows beings made from tachyons ...  [message #30513 is a reply to message #30510] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Google it and its also in Wikipedia. Ill have to go to the library and get the two guys names. I thought it was an interesting theory. Might even explain gost and strange thingys.



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Re: Everybody knows beings made from tachyons ...  [message #30515 is a reply to message #30513] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yup, saw it on Wikipedia. But I was under the impression that they were just a theory and there is not yet much evidence that they actually exist. And that they have not even been mathematically proven, except within a theoretical universe that may or may not exist.

Where did you get "In this case two beings one created out of matter, the other out of tachions, could inhabit the same place in time and space and not be aware of each other." from? It sounds intriguing.

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Re: Everybody knows beings made from tachyons ...  [message #30516 is a reply to message #30513] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>Might even explain gost and strange thingys.

We've already got a pretty good explanation for ghosts: imagination. Smile
Might save you a trip to the library?  [message #30517 is a reply to message #30513] Fri, 31 March 2006 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The concept was first suggested by the German physicist Arnold Sommerfeld in the 1930s, but the theory was developed by the Indian physicist George George Sudarshan and the (I think) American physicist Gerald Feinberg in the mid 1960s. Feinberg came up with the name 'tachyon'.



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Tsk, tsk ...  [message #30518 is a reply to message #30516] Fri, 31 March 2006 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's an argument, not an explanation! And you a fully paid-up pedant!



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Re: Might save you a trip to the library?  [message #30601 is a reply to message #30517] Sun, 02 April 2006 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And there's me thinking they dreamed it up especially for 'The Next Generation'.

See what happens when you get out of touch? Wink
Re: Math  [message #30607 is a reply to message #30505] Mon, 03 April 2006 01:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>.. In this case two beings one created out of matter, the other out of tachions, could inhabit the same place in time and space and not be aware of each other.

HHmmmm... Reminds me of a bad relationship I had at one time...

I would think (but why bother??) that anything moving faster than light may connected with the spirit realm, or be the dust stirred up by same in their goings about..

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Re: Math  [message #30614 is a reply to message #30607] Mon, 03 April 2006 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I read about tachions, I was facinated. these are my thoughts so dont come down on me to hard. the big bang theory. If the lower limit to tachions is the speed of light. What would happen if something was done in the deminsion that slowed something made from tachions to be forced lower than the speed of light? since time stands still if you excede the speed of light, would beings made from tachions live beyond time. Time would have no meaning for them. Now you can shoot.



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Re: Math  [message #30626 is a reply to message #30614] Mon, 03 April 2006 09:38 Go to previous message
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Interesting thought experiment.

Are you sure that time would stand still for these beings travelling faster than light, though? I would have thought that time would appear to us to be going backwards for them -- isn't that what is supposed to happen once you go past the speed of light? And presumably relativity would still hold, so they would perceive us as going backwards in time.

I don't want to be a spoilsport, but given that tachions are so hopelessly theoretical and have never been observed, has anyone actually suggested that they might be made up into atoms and molecules in the same way that we are?

David
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