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Here I am 15 years old, sitting in the middle of a theater with 400 other people and bawling my eyes out. I just got to see Brokeback Mountain. Nobody bothered to tell me that Jack gets beat to death at the end. Man was I embarrased.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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I'll bet you weren't the only one there Brian. Don't be embarrassed - you hold your head up & cry all you like. At least you've got feelings.
Cheers
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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cossie
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Good guys cry when there's something to cry about. You're in good company!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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pimple
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You ARE a whippersnapper!
I shall redouble my efforts to watch my Ps & Qs.
Regards-
Simon
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Simon, please. You cant say anything I havent heard. The one thing I never want to be is cuddled here. I never want special treatment, so far I havent gotten any.;-D ;-D
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Or is that coddled?
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Brian,
Please, don't be embarrassed, my husband has been to see this film 3 times and each time has come home crying like a baby for 2 hours afterwards. He's kind, and sensitive, it's part of his charm--and a good part of why I married him.
Since I have been known to have violent nightmares about violence whenever I see it--often even on TV or at the movies, I WAS warned by friends of mine who know of my odd affliction and made the decision not to see the film until I can see it at home on DVD and self-edit what I can't handle. (I blame my parents who never let me see anything but Disney flicks until I was 12, LOL--and the fact that the first non-disney film I ever saw at a theater was a Barbra Streisand film...(Insert cliche and laughter here!)
People tell me that I need to thicken my skin and become more real about these things. Well, I'm not so sure... Oddly, I can watch real-life events of this sort on the news or wherever with little after-effect. So I'm not trying to avoid reality. Further in my defense, I am a mental health therapist in training, and have listened to abuse victims, victims of violent crime and the like with great empathy, and no ill affects to me, nor to their therapy--(yes, one always has a supervisor, and when working with clients we monitor the process to make sure I'm appropriately available and functional for my clients--as would any responsible therapist.)
I suspect it's because I focus, not on imagining what the've been through, but on the strength they've had for surviving it, and how to help them continue to use that strength to make it through their lives on a daily basis. I've been privilaged to meet and work with some very special people--none of whom have all the answers, but all of whom have great courage which they use on a daily basis.
To those who tell me to "get over it", I say (although admittedly more politely than this, 'Somehow, violence, hatred, bigotry, are just not things I would ever want to be desensitized to...'
It's good to know that you aren't.
Keep crying, keep feeling, keep being the gentle soul you are, my bet is that in the long run, you'll find that it is those qualities that you're most loved and respected for! 
In laughter, love & light,
Dave
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Sure you have! And you deserve it. You are (really) young, you are smart, you exhibit a maturity that does not match your years. You represent the potential that some of us (me) never lived up to.
You should not be jaded by the thoughts and opinions of weary old me. My reality is not yours, for you it is still a brave new world. Go beat it into whatever shape you think it ought to be. Just because I've worn myself out doesn't mean that you shouldn't tilt at the windmills for a while. I don't want to dull your edge, and if you listen to us old farts, you run a fair risk of becoming a cynic before your time.
Regards
Simon
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At least it's just a movie and you know movies are just stories.
It is alot more real when you see it first hand.
and even more real than that when you realize you will never see him again.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I don't think any of us can get close to knowing what that was like. As you say, at least this was a movie.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I know it's just a movie and I cant even begin to know what it must be like in real life to lose the one you love to something like that. I guess I cried for all the gays that have had to die like that. Its a horror we all have had to live with, just because were gay.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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marc
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No.......
Its not a horror we all have had to live with, just because were gay.....
It's a horror we have to live with because of the ignorant, simple minded morons that subscribe to violence as a solution to anything that differs from their meager existance.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I agree with you, Marc. It is the people who enjoy violence,and use it at the smallest excuse that hurt the world, not gay and not str8.
Brian is not wrong, though. He has seen a movie that is a little disturbing, has grown up in the odd republican era you have now, and has heard of your loss. It is natural to be afraid, but he should not be.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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We watched it here and overall I thought the movie was a bit boring....
In the 70's, if you were gay you went to San Francisco or New York to be gay.... No one went to the wild west.... It is way too butch....
anyhow.....
I wasn't aware of that 1 1/2 second flash of a violence scene either and it took me aback as well....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Grr... I haven't seen it yet!
I'm sorry to hear it the ending's depressing. I dare say I'll be moved when I finally get to see it. I didn't get to see it at the cinema, but I understand it's coming out on DVD soon.
Unfortunately the western is just about the only literary/film genre I don't particularly like (apart from Grasshopper's stories).
David
P.S. Oops: just noticed you can read that last sentence two ways. I mean that I would make an exception for Grasshopper's stories.
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David, its already out on DVD
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
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cossie
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... where we still catch the horse-and-cart to work. It can't come out on DVD here until we get used to gramophones!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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saben
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Actually I was under the impression that Jack may or may not have died by being beaten. It is left vague. Really all we see is what Ennis believes to be true, which may or may not have been the case and personally I think the vagueness adds to it. It isn't just the reality that makes gay being scary, but the fear. As a gay guy, even today, you never know when you will come across someone so homophobic that they will just snap. You could lose your job from it, your family from it or your life from it. The fear is something almost all gay guys have to live with, while thankfully the reality is less prevalent. I like to think that it really was a tyre that killed Jack, but who knows.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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In the movie. Jacks wife is telling what happened to him, but as she is telling him they are showing what really happened. There is nothing vague about them going to bury his ashes in the family plot. Guess you had to read the short story.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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saben
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In the movie the wife is telling Ennis what happened and Ennis is imagining what he thinks happened. At least that was the impression that I got. Jack is dead and gets buried either way, and probably the wife is covering it up, but as I've only watched the movie is could be assumed that Ennis is just imagining the worst. He had a tendency to do that.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Saben wrote:
In the movie the wife is telling Ennis what happened and Ennis is imagining what he thinks happened.
I have not seen the film, but I have read the original story. Here is the original passage as penned by Annie Proulx:
Ennis didn't know about the accident for months until his postcard to Jack saying that November still looked like the first chance came back stamped DECEASED. He called Jack's number in Childress, something he had done only once before when Alma divorced him and Jack had misunderstood the reason for the call, and had driven twelve hundred miles north for nothing. This would be all right, Jack would answer, had to answer. But he did not. It was Lureen and she said who? who is this? and when he had told her again she said in a level voice yes, Jack was pumping up a flat on the truck out on a back road when the tire blew up. The bead was damaged somehow and the force of the explosion slammed the rim into his face, broke his nose and jaw and knocked him unconscious on his back. By the time someone came along he had drowned in his own blood. No, he thought, they got him with the tire iron.
This last senetence refers back to something that Jack had told Ennis way back: that that was how they dealt with queers where he came from.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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marc
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Also, refer to the scent where Enos goes to the parents home and the father refers to the comment by Jack (paraphrased)... he talked about you two coming here to live and run the ranch... Then he said (paraphrased) then Jack mentioned someone else who he wanted to come there with to live and run the ranch.
Obviously, Jack made a move on one of the good old boys back home and was murdered.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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refer to the scene
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Whatever the reason for the scene in the movie. It was a shock and wasnt expected. All I could think of was Matt Sheapard and how he died. Nobody deserves that.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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marc
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I know..... I wasn't expecting it either..... I wish I had known it was there so I could avoid it too.....
But..... You know something? Even though scenes are shocking and sickening for those of us that have gone through a degree of violence in our lives..... I am pleased that it was there.....
Because without dramaticly graphic scenes such as this the heinous attitudes society heaps upon us is lost to yesterdays news.
The more people see and discuss these things the closer we are to having them realize how ignorant these acts really are.
It may take a while, but eventually society will come to it's sences, we will be all right.... With all the rights and priviledges we are entitled to.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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