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I just spent less than the equivalent of $3 watching on TV (Video On Demand) the movie "Latter Days" [2003], which I thoroughly enjoyed. Can anyone verify or deny the basic presentation in the film of the stance of LDS towards gay members of the church?
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Absolutely! If you are gay and act on your feelings you will be excommunicated from the church. What you saw in the movie is a fair rendering of what will happen if you are found out. The diversion therapy they were using on him actually occurs. Now you ask me how I know? I have a friend I talk to in Salt Lake city, hes Mormon and gay and lives in constant fear that he will be found out.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Thank you, Brian. How terribly sad. Maybe you could persuade your friend to join us here in our discussions.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Yes I have watched that movie and I believe it is a fairly accurate portrayal of the way things would be in that church. Yeah Brian and JFR it is sad! You both know I dont feel right about being gay and dont want to live that way, but it is so very hypocritical to push someone out of the church for anything like that. If they did that to everyone who was a sinner, then soon none would be left...........probably take about a week!
I dont want to endorse living in the lifestyle, but neither will I condemn it nor do I think God goes out of his way to punish anyone who does live that way. I think there are lots of worse things we can be.
I guess that some who are religious think that one sin is worse than another, but it doesnt seem to be that way to me except for the first commandment, which even Jesus said was the most important one; the one about not having any other gods etc. If you read about the time when Jesus was going to go visit the leper colony and his deciples told him he should not do that as those people were unlean and were being punished by god. Even they did not seem to "get it" did they?
Ken
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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"Just because you are born with temper problems that doesn't justify getting angry and violent. Same Sex attraction may not be a choice but that doesn't mean you need to act on it."
That's basically how my mum described it to me when I first came out. There is a scripture in the Book of Mormon that says roughly "The natural man is an enemy to god and has been since the fall" then goes onto say something about putting off the natural man and yielding to the enticings of the holy spirit.
The Church's official stance towards "same sex attraction" as they call it is that it's a test, much like married men might struggle with adultery or promiscuity, a gay man needs to live a life without acting on his "attraction".
For me, when faced with the choice of the Church and intimacy I chose intimacy. But yeah, the LDS belief towards homosexuality is pretty forgiven nowadays, albeit for something that doesn't need to be forgiven.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Ok, tell that to my friend and his Mormon friends. He must be scared for no reason at all. I need to see if he will come in here and talk.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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For a Mormon living in Utah I imagine that'd be quite a bit more scary. In Australia if you leave the LDS Church you never need to deal with another Mormon again. In Utah, the entire culture is based, at least in part, around Mormonism. You can't just up and leave the Church in Utah without leaving behind most of your friends, family and associates, and if you are an adult, probably your job, too. It's an unfortunate reality of being a Utahd. I've only been to Salt Lake City once, and only for about 5 days, but in a word, I found it quite repressive. The entire city had a smell similar to a freshly pressed Sunday suit.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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My friend says it is very bizzar there and they do things that dont make a lot of sense. You cant use the word bar or spirits or beer or cocktailk or such. So the resturants will have a neon or pic of a ghost (spirits). At a bar you cant have an empty glass in front of you and be served another drink (alcohol). There are a lot of other strange behavior.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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jhawk
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Location: England
Registered: June 2006
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we are now in the 21st centry, religions need to move the same way,
In roman times homosexuality was the norm.
i can not understand why they cannot except that the world is not perfect and nor are they.
what goes up must come down ?
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I think it is because a religion is generally viewed as timeless and for eternity. In order to move an inch a religion must take very serious steps indeed. And some are making them. http://www.keshetrabbis.org is evidence of one part of one faith seekng to move mountains.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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