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So, nothing new, then.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy wrote:
So, nothing new, then.
Nothing. Nothing? Nothing can come of nothing: speak again.
[William Shakespeare, King Lear, Act I, Scene 1]
Forward all pedants!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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marc
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Well, there is alot new but it seems that there is only a limited number expected to answer......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Limited only by one's imagination.
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marc
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Not so, the increasing expectation of pedantic responces limit the field to those predispositioned to do so.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Well, perhaps in the imagination of those who imagine that it is essental to be pedantic. But, for those who imagine that pedantry is but an amusing excusrion, the sky is the limit
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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timmy wrote:
> Well, perhaps in the imagination of those who imagine that it is essental to be pedantic. But, for those who imagine that pedantry is but an amusing excusrion, the sky is the limit
And then there are those that are totaly put off by it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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It's such fun to be pedantic
In this world, so fast and frantic,
If you have a sense of humour;
But - if you believe the rumour -
That required sense of humour
Does not cross the broad Atlantic!
Unless, of course, you know differently?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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lol, cute
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Sorry if I offended. That was certainly not my intention.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Why would you have offended anyone?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, I got the impression that Marc had taken offence at something I wrote. If no offence was taken I can happily withdraw my apology in order to restore peace. If Marc was offended, my apology still stands. I hope this sorts it all out. Phew.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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marc
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In your reply above you asked for responces from those of the local pedantic society....
This implies that those not of the click are not worthy of a response.
I personally find the use of pedantic responces as a veiled attempt to show superiority......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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There's no reason you can't be part of the group of pedants if you want to, Marc. It seems to me that you are being very pedantic over the meaning of JFR's post!
David
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marc
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No... I am not...
I am being truthful...
Pedantry is nothing more than usage of language to plase a facade where a profound lack of imagination in responces....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc,
>Pedantry is nothing more than usage of language to plase a facade where a profound lack of imagination in responces....
I use pedantic comments to provide fuller information, or to provide a (relatively) amusing aside, jokingly, when I know that the person to which I address my comment won't be offended. I don't think it's got anything to do with creating a facade or pretending to be anything I'm not. I'm like this in real life, and I'm like this internally as well.
If you think using pedantry is lack of imagination, why don't you post a nice imaginative reply to Timmy's original post, instead of trying to find fault with everything? Just a suggestion. You don't have to respond to JFR if you don't want to. Note that, before you start twisting my words, I'm not saying that you shouldn't reply to it if you feel you have something constructive to add.
David
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timmy
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I was right. Nothing new.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Yup....
And apparently there is little potential for anything new.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy wrote:
I was right. Nothing new.
Timmy, some things never change. Apparently they cannot be changed. What a pity.
That which was is what will be; that which has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun. [Ecclesiastes 1]
BTW - my invitation to the pedants to advance was because I had made a slight error in the quotation from King Lear and I thought one of our resident pedants might have noticed it. I never dreamed that anyone would think that because of that humourous sentence they were being excluded. Sorry.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Ah well. Again that is down to one's imagination
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Or ones reality......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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That means it must depend upon perception, since perception is reality
That brings us back to imagination
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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This is begining to feel like a ride on a merry-go-round......
Which by the way,,,, in the UK they go the wrong way.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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which way?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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The wrong one...... there are only 2 options and if one is right the other by default must be wrong....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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We spin our roundabouts about a vertical axis. This holds true whether they are fairground rides or children's playgropund equipment.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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I am talking about the motorized carousels from ammusement parks and carnivals....... Not the kiddy spinny puke-maker things found in playgrounds......
Here they spin counterclockwise......
There they go the wrong way...... i.e. clockwise....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Fancy riding widdershins? Pure witchcraft.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Only if they turn the wrong way.......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Yours are widdershins, and thus evil.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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No!!!!!!!!!!!
Yours are...........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Nope.....
Yours are evil......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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As the UK probably had carousels first, that would make theirs the 'correct' ones?
Dunno about our local ones - i think that we might go both ways ;-D
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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marc
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Nope...... ours are right theirs are evil.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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It began humourously enough, and it was obviously intended as a light-hearted pot-boiler in the absence of any weightier topics. But, as is so often the case, you killed off the humour by hijacking the thread in your usual self-absorbed and negative way.
NO-ONE is deliberately excluding you from anything. It seems to have escaped your notice that our two self-appointed pedants regularly make fun of themselves, and I confess that I enjoy making fun of both of them. It's all good natured banter. If you DO feel that you are being pushed out of the mainstream, I would suggest that is due to your own actions; far too many of your posts are needlesly negative, many are snide and some are downright rude.
Deeej wrote above:
"There's no reason you can't be part of the group of pedants if you want to, Marc. It seems to me that you are being very pedantic over the meaning of JFR's post!
David."
He was right. To choose to ignore the obvious humourous intention and focus on the literal meaning is a classic example of pedantry.
But you replied:
"No... I am not...
I am being truthful...
Pedantry is nothing more than usage of language to plase a facade where a profound lack of imagination in responces...."
Replying to each of these three sentences in turn:
(1) Yes you are, whether or not you are able to see it.
(2) No, you are not. You are simply adhering to a manifestly unsupportable point of view.
(3) The incomplete sentence is not only ungrammatic, it has no foundation.
Pedantry is defined in the dictionary and it has nothing to do with facades or with lack of imagination.
Marc, before criticising others you really do need to behold the plank in your own eye. This is Timmy's board, but it means a lot to a considerable number of people, both posters and lurkers. Your attitude is damaging the amicable atmosphere which so many participants value so much. Timmy and others have made gentle, though obvious, hints, but you have either failed to understand them or have chosen to ignore them. I know that the damage is real; I have had numerous unsolicited e-mails confirming this following my previous attempts to address the problem.
Please don't let your self-absorption blind you to the harm you are doing.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I used to be a pedant - all through prep school. The expression of my inherent pedantry was teased and bullied out of me when I changed schools (and my speech changed from BBC english to that of industrial oxford aka Morris Cowley). However, all my internal processes are still carried out in pedant mode: I'm sure that the long posts and convoluted sentences that are typical of my posts give the game away. At least, in this "place of safety": in other places that I occasionally post to I take greater pains to conceal my natural tendencies. At work, or course, everything is expressed in accessible "plain english", and I used to spend many laborious hours ensuring it - a task which caused me considerable moral uncertainty as I gradually changed my views from the "prescriptive" usages I was brought up on to the "descriptive" view more common today.
Some of us are pedants. Some of us are not. I'm not worried in the least if others use English in a very different way to the way I do , because of culture, age, inclination, becuase it is a second or third language, or for any other reason whatsoever - even if it occasionally means that I struggle to understand, or get it wrong, or ask for clarification. For me, changing the language that I naturally use feels like "talking down to" people, and I hate feeling that I'm doing that. But, seriously, if anyone feels that I'm excluding them, please accept that such is not my intention, and please do let me know here or (better) by private e-mail.
But I would like to think that we could accept each other for our natural differences: indeed, the diversity of the posters and what we learn from each other is a major reason I come here.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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cossie wrote:
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> Marc, before criticising others you really do need to behold the plank in your own eye. This is Timmy's board, but it means a lot to a considerable number of people, both posters and lurkers. Your attitude is damaging the amicable atmosphere which so many participants value so much. Timmy and others have made gentle, though obvious, hints, but you have either failed to understand them or have chosen to ignore them. I know that the damage is real; I have had numerous unsolicited e-mails confirming this following my previous attempts to address the problem.
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> Please don't let your self-absorption blind you to the harm you are doing.
I see it a bit different..... I see the continual pressure those who profess pedancy as an attempt to bully posters into following your tune to the march...... I see this also as an effort to call other posters less than intelligent without actually coming out and calling them stupid as a post.... I see what you (and others) are doing as causing real damage to the atmosphere of this board.... I see your movement as inhibitive to lurkers that otherwise might post....
Just my opinion.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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