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... but I think it's important, in a way.
Same newspaper, same editon; two articles.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3270788,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3270608,00.html
(The links' ID's would suggest that the second article was published before the first.)
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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both those articles concern me in different ways. Fabulousina's article shows me why the orthodox rabbis want to ban the parade.
But it sells newspapers.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/734209.html
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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A coalition of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian officials united in protest of the world pride event in Jerusalem during a heated debate at the Knesset's Interior Committee on Tuesday.
"I promise there's going to be bloodshed - not just on that day, but for months afterward," declared New York Rabbi Yehuda Levin, a representative of the Orthodox group Rabbinical Alliance of America. "In America we are outraged and disgusted over this issue. There are millions of people who with their bodies, souls, and money will stand against this. I will be here afterwards to remind you and to say I warned you and you did nothing."
An ambassador from the Vatican said, "As a representative of the Holy See to Israel, I understand well the predicament facing Israel and that of the Catholic Church. Holding this event here would be a contradiction to the sacred nature of Jerusalem."
"This is a hate crime. Your words sting," said Sol Lev, an activist representing the parade's proponents. "You have a responsibility to calm your constituencies, and instead you're doing the opposite and inflaming them. You don't have a monopoly on the streets of Jerusalem."
The international gay festival, Jerusalem WorldPride, is currently scheduled to run through the week of August 6th.
Zehava Gal-On MK called the group of religious leaders "a dangerous coalition. It is a danger to democracy," she said. "Since when have we put Jerusalem on top of a pedestal?"
United Arab List MK Ibrahim Sarsur said, "In Muslim society we don't have these types of problems. Every man has the right to do what he pleases, but not if it offends others."
A Sufi cleric present at the meeting was quoted as saying, "Go send them to parade somewhere else so that place can turn into Sodom and God can smite them there."
Some, however, concentrated on a more peaceful resolution of the conflict.
MK Moshe Gafni of United Torah Judaism promised that if organizers of the world pride parade agreed to hold the march elsewhere, he would utilize the new coalition of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian officials to promote peace and brotherhood in Israel.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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cossie
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... is the vitriolic ignorance of the majority of contributors to the 'talkbacks'.
I am tempted to suggest that if God chose Israel on the terms these appalling bigots suggest, he was at best unwise and at worst downright stupid. And I cannot bring myself to respect a downright stupid deity.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Several opposition parties - all right-wing and mostly ultra-religious- have raised in the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] a no-confidence motion in the government for not preventing the WorldPride Parade in Jerusalem. The one ultra-religious party in the government coaliton, Shas, had threatened to vote with the opposition on this issue. Today this was reported in my newspaper:
Shas decided not to vote in support of a no-confidence motion recently proposed in opposition of the gay pride parade. They will be satisfied by the answer of Minister-without-portfolio Jacob Edery, the liaison between the government and the Knesset [i.e. government chief whip]. We have been informed that Edery will pass along the decision to allow the parade to take place to the mayor of Jerusalem and the Israel police, based on the claim that such an issue is not for the Knesset to decide.
So, apparently, the gays' parade is evil incarnate, satanic lewdness running wild, the rule of Satan incarnate ... but just not worth giving up a seat in the cabinet for  .
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Is this an outcome yet? or just part of the faffing around politicians do?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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It's "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" - between the politicians. (Israeli politicians could have taught Sir Humphrey Appleby a thing or two!) The end is nowhere in sight yet.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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