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How uck I leave for college tomorrow again. Hopefully nothing will blow up in the process to delay me. I am already needing to leave at 7 30 in the morning GROSS!
All yall who went to college did you enjoy it? I'm loving it  And we heard from Tom a bit ago that he loved it too.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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cossie
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... UK cllege students have at least another month of freedom!
It's umpty-um years since I went to Uni, but I enjoyed most of it. I spent all four years working as a barman to pay my way, and I discovered lots of secrets (which I've kept to this day!) and acquired a phenomenal tolerance for alcohol.
It may have made Planck's Constant and the Fibonacci Series a bit harder to grasp, but boy, was it worth it! I wish you well, our beloved Third Fence Post!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I cant wait to get started in University. Grandfather will have to see I dont run wild.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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cossie
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.... and at my advanced age!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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how about on a slightly different subject... Does anyone find themselves with a complete inability to pack??? I mean honestly last year bfore college I got a friend to pack my stuff, Christmas and to come home my bf packed my stuff.
Here I am this time all alone needing to pack and I leave in about 8 hours  Jeeeeesus..... I can't even find my own paycheck.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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I hope the next year goes well, Andy. It'd be great if you could post here from time to time, or at least keep in touch.
I'm not back to university for another month. I'm not loving it, but I'm putting up with it.
Best wishes,
David
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Wrong, Brian. You'll have to see that Grandfather doesn't run wild.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Oh no and at my tender young age
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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marc
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I began college a loooooooooooooooooooooong time ago...... The first half semister I spent most of my time getting acclimated to the routine and lay of the land so to speak....
BUT! ! !..... After I became accustomed with the routine I hade more time on my hands and began having fun..... It was about this time that I met my first true love and we spent 12 years together..... We had a boatload of fun and were employed in a very very very lucritive industry which paid for tuition and other sundries as well as afforded us travel, adventure and all the possible fun a college student could imagine.
College was to say the least a hoot and a half....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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.......... I (we) lived in the same house all throughout college and when traveling we always hired someone to tend to those chores.....
When we moved to the UK for graduate school we also got a nice flat in London (Cavendish circle area) and remained there for 4 1/2 years....
It has been years since I have been there for a visit.... I wonder what it looks like now....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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How just does one go to uni and not love it???
Allbeit I equate loving the course load with a passion for the education and the related (theoretical) results that follow upon graduation....
I just do not see how a person can flourish while "putting up with it".....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Or have I read your post totally wrong, and it is the time waiting till uni restarts that you are lot loving and putting up with????
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Hi Marc,
>Or have I read your post totally wrong, and it is the time waiting till uni restarts that you are lot loving and putting up with????
Nope. Not loving the course, because I'd rather be out in the film industry working (as I have done from time to time during the holidays).
>I just do not see how a person can flourish while "putting up with it".....
Flourish? Well, one can flourish by making sure that one keeps in touch with the industry that one hopes to join outside working hours. One can flourish by focusing on those areas of the course that one enjoys, and putting up with the rest.
>How just does one go to uni and not love it???
I simply don't believe you have never met someone who does not enjoy his course. I know quite a few, including some of my closest friends: some have changed course, some just grinned and bore it. Most people did not drop out. It's decidedly naive to assume that everyone is at university for the love of their subject. There are plenty of other reasons, not least that it is "better to have a degree than not to have a degree". Other reasons include (may not apply to me): to meet like-minded people, for the social life, to prepare one for a career, because one is not sure what one is doing next.
David
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marc
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People that choose to grind their way through uni do little more than take up needed space....
If you believe you can succede in the film industry why are you going through the expence and effort to attend uni???
Surely someone with your vast talent should be able to dazzle the industry right now.......
Or then perhaps not.......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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If the hallmarks of enjoying university are that, after you leave, you will brand everyone else who did not enjoy it quite so much a "waste of space" and make sarcastic comments about their "talent" then I am quite glad I am not enjoying it.
In other words, Marc, you are one of the most rude people I have ever met.
Incidentally, you do seem to have very odd spelling and grammar for such an illustrious graduate and former university lecturer.
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Deeej, that reminds of a song that i haven't heard for years.
When my father came home, drunk and belligerent, and trouble was brewing, my mother, dripping with sarcasm, would sing :
"Here we go again. Happy as can be. All good friends. And jolly good company!"
Which probably didn't help the situation.
Cheers
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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marc
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And I have to say that I find you one of the rudest people I have ever met.....
Since when is spelling a requisite to posting on a message board?
As far as enjoyment, I doubt if you have it in you to enjoy anything....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I don't really need to reply to that; it would be easier just to hold up a mirror and let the words bounce back the other way.
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Hmm, no, maybe not. An interesting coincidence.
David
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marc
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Or a sponge....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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... does this sort of thing keep happening?
Everyone is different. Everyone has different goals and ambitions. It's inevitable that some people will love uni, some will hate it, and the rest will be spread over the whole spectrum between these extremes. No-one has the right to criticise another person simply because they choose to occupy a different point on that spectrum.
I thought university was like the proverbial curate's egg - good in parts. My daughter loved every moment of her time there, so much so that she's returning next year. My son saw it simply as a means to an end; he needed an MSc to secure a decent start in his chosen branch of engineering, so he did what was necessary to achieve that, but he chose to live at home and his social life was built around his existing groups of friends.
In any event, the university population in the UK has grown tremendously since I was a student, and as a result a bachelor's degree is now seen merely as a minimum requirement in many industries and professions - and some of these are unlikely to look favourably on anyone with a grading less than 2/1. It is becoming increasingly difficult to enter some professions as a school leaver without compromising the prospects of rising to the highest levels.
So, inevitably, the pressure upon those who perform at an above-average level in the sixth form (=Junior and Senior years in High Scool) is becoming ever greater. Concurrently, the enormous expansion in both the number and size of universities has diluted not only the overall quality of tuition but also the esprit-de-corps which made student life so special a few decades ago.
Nowadays, an increasing proportion of the university population is there because of the insidious pressures from school, state, industry and commerce - pressures which can be very difficult for a young person to resist. It is therefore hardly surprising that a significant number of today's students find themselves underwhelmed by the whole experience.
Marc's dismissal of anyone who does not enjoy a university course is therefore unfounded. Things may not be quite the same in the USA, but I haven't read or heard anything to suggest that the differences are material.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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marc
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It takes a certain vigor to excell in any school setting.... To approach a unversity degree with a mediochre attitude will produce mediochre results....
If it is worth going through the time and expense it should be worth the time of some attention to sucess....
It is with that mindset that I can wholehartedly dismiss anyone that bitches and moans about their tenure in school...
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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... since I pressed the 'Enter' key by mistake!
Marc's comments in his post at 12.45 yesterday cannot be seen as anything other than personal and gratuitously insulting. Deeej's reaction was hardly surprising; faced with such an attack there must be few individuals who could treat the matter with equanimity.
Ideally, the reference to grammar and spelling might have been better unsaid, but whilst such matters have a lower educational priority these days, they were regarded as being of paramount importance when posters of our generation were in the classroom. To understand these disciplines but to fail to apply them on a message board is arguably discourteous to other participants.
It's probably as well not to mention the subsequent exchanges.
Why do I feel that I have to stick my nose in? Well, it's because I cannot abide rudeness. A part of my professional responsibilities required me to argue, and sometimes to argue vehemently before a tribunal, but however heated an argument may become, there is NEVER a need to resort to gratuitous rudeness. Over the six or seven years in which I have been an active web-wanderer, I have seen a number of otherwise good and interesting sites forced to closure by the rudeness of a tiny proportion of the participants. I enjoy this place very much, and I believe it is too valuable to too many people to allow it to be put at risk. Every time I see rudeness, I will react to it.
Marc, I am trying very hard to appreciate your point of view. I know that you have suffered more than most. But you WERE gratuitously rude to Deeej. You don't have to like him - none of us is under any obligation to like other posters, it's something which emerges from our respective interactions - but you don't have a right to be rude to him or any other poster.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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... but I'm not sure that I agree that there's a direct correlation between a mediocre attitude and a mediocre result. There are some individuals of very great academic ability whose attitudes would need to improve in order to qualify as mediocre!
I'd argue that it's possible to do one's best, academically speaking, without actually enjoying the course or subject. It all depends on motivation and expectation.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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marc
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That is of course one way of looking at it.....
I however see it differently.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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... set out your argument in support of it and your reasons for dismissing my viewpoint. It isn't enough to say 'No' - you need to explain 'Why?'.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Well Marc my college was paid for by the US Navy and I did enjoy the time there to an extent. I had wanted to become a Chemist but the Navy thought it would be better for me to go into electical engineering. I also had ham radio as a hobby and made the change at their request as they had the money and I did not.
I certainly did not regret being a guest of the Navy but in a couple of years after Kennedy was killed in Dallas I found myself being kicked out of the Navy now for being gay and acting on it. I was only 26 at the time and I saw any chance of working in electronics as remote without the means to have a security clearance.
I guess Kennedy's killing sort of destroyed a lot of my hope for the future at the time and the Navy killed the rest for me. I wandered aimlessly about in jobs for some time before going into business for myself as an electrician.
I dont know where I would have been if my dismissal wouldnt have happened. But really my college time became a sort of wasted effort in a way; I was only a "C" student for the most part. I made little use of my learning there except to be able to shortcut what it took to be an electrician. I guess I should be grateful for the education, and I am; but I never worked in the job I had dreamed about doing when I was younger. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy and prevent a lot of things in our own lives from happening and that was probably one of them.
I also could have gotten into the porn industry as I was probably someone who could have passed for being 15 when I was already 26. But then I would probably be dead now as that was before protected sex. I like to think that life is a sort of crap shoot sometimes.
Ken
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marc
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Why????
That much should be obvious.... Any undertaking should be with excitment for the process and ultimatly in the result.... To just float on the current is not participating....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc said,
>College was to say the least a hoot and a half....
I don't know if you're capable of putting yourself in another person's situation, Marc, but for a moment try to imagine the following situation:
- you were at university
- you had not met your first love
- you had been in a cash-strapped university that would not have "employed [you] in a very very very lucritive industry which paid for tuition and other sundries as well as afforded [you] travel, adventure and all the possible fun a college student could imagine"
- you had not had excellent and fascinating teaching all the way along
Would any of those have made a difference to you? If you'd only had some of those things, would there have been a point you said, "Well, it's not as good as it could be, but I'll stick with it," or are you the sort of person who gives up the moment that everything is not absolutely to your satisfaction? If so, you must spend your life being continually frustrated, and must be a very difficult person to know.
I love film. I love watching films. I love writing about films. I love making films. I don't mind spending a lot of time in the library making notes and writing essays (though I grumble about it from time to time). I do mind when I feel that the rate of progress is slow, that most other people on the course are not interested in the same things as me, and that potentially I could make faster progress in the industry. On the other hand, not wanting to give up, deriving pleasure from those parts of the course I do like (and incidentally, Marc, my results last year were not mediocre), and feeling that I have learnt something worthwhile all tip the balance in favour of seeing it through to the end.
It is a case of weighing up priorities, and if you cannot see that then I cannot imagine how you made it through a university course yourself.
David
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marc
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Deeej wrote:
> Marc said,
> >College was to say the least a hoot and a half....
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> I don't know if you're capable of putting yourself in another person's situation, Marc, but for a moment try to imagine the following situation:
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> - you were at university
> - you had not met your first love
> - you had been in a cash-strapped university that would not have "employed [you] in a very very very lucritive industry which paid for tuition and other sundries as well as afforded [you] travel, adventure and all the possible fun a college student could imagine"
> - you had not had excellent and fascinating teaching all the way along
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> Would any of those have made a difference to you? If you'd only had some of those things, would there have been a point you said, "Well, it's not as good as it could be, but I'll stick with it," or are you the sort of person who gives up the moment that everything is not absolutely to your satisfaction? If so, you must spend your life being continually frustrated, and must be a very difficult person to know.
If the school was not what I had expected it to be I would have found one that was what I expected.... I took the time to research my chosen school and went through the process of researching the instructors... I knew exactly where I was going and what I wanted when I got there.... The only difficulty I had was finding my way around the campus as it was extensive.... The money was never an issue.... The employment was a fun diversion that afforded many perks....
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> I love film. I love watching films. I love writing about films. I love making films. I don't mind spending a lot of time in the library making notes and writing essays (though I grumble about it from time to time). I do mind when I feel that the rate of progress is slow, that most other people on the course are not interested in the same things as me, and that potentially I could make faster progress in the industry. On the other hand, not wanting to give up, deriving pleasure from those parts of the course I do like (and incidentally, Marc, my results last year were not mediocre), and feeling that I have learnt something worthwhile all tip the balance in favour of seeing it through to the end.
I love film too. I love watching films as well. They are a nice thing to pass some dead time....
It is that group of uninterested students that make my point.... In their complacency they drag all the other students down to their level.... As for your results, I remember seeing only one (i think) and it was hideousle executed.... Some sort of thing involving kids in costumes doing some sort of swordplay.... Awful.... If you have done better, well good, I'd like to see some....
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> It is a case of weighing up priorities, and if you cannot see that then I cannot imagine how you made it through a university course yourself.
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> David
Priorities for me was to do well in my academics (which always came easy for me....) and live day to day.... I did very well with my grades and each day was an adventure....
I never had a day when I had to wonder how I was going to make it to the next.... I never had a date that left me wanting....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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>If the school was not what I had expected it to be I would have found one that was what I expected.... I took the time to research my chosen school and went through the process of researching the instructors... I knew exactly where I was going and what I wanted when I got there.... The only difficulty I had was finding my way around the campus as it was extensive.... The money was never an issue.... The employment was a fun diversion that afforded many perks....
Well, bully for you, old chap. I'm so glad that your entire university career was nothing but sweetness and light. I trust that it has led to you becoming a well-rounded individual and given you an outstanding career. After all, that is the primary purpose of university.
Not everything has an easy and obvious solution. Blaming everyone else for not being like you -- something you frequently do on this board -- doesn't help anyone.
>As for your results, I remember seeing only one (i think) and it was hideousle executed.... Some sort of thing involving kids in costumes doing some sort of swordplay.... Awful.... If you have done better, well good, I'd like to see some....
WTF? I am not sure how you could have seen anything I have done. If you can describe it better, I might be able to establish what you're talking about. However, I can say for sure that I have never worked on anything (and I include the industry work I have done) that resembles that description.
I was talking academic results, anyway. They might mean more to you.
>Priorities for me was to do well in my academics (which always came easy for me....) and live day to day.... I did very well with my grades and each day was an adventure....
>I never had a day when I had to wonder how I was going to make it to the next....
Never in your life? Even if not at university, you are fucking hypocritical all the same. So university was good for you. That means that we get no sympathy from you if we do not find it the same. But how many times have you come here and complained about something from your own life? By the same logic, all those people with a good career and a good life should tell you to fuck off, because they're not having the same problems. That is not how a support board should function, but apparently you are too self-centered to notice.
David
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Hey now, my bf pointed out a good point to me. I don't love being at school and doing the school thing. I love having my own room and deciding what I do. The actual class stuff well I'm with deej and am just puttering through that bcause its there.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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I'm one of the many who barely qualify as a mediocre attitude towards school let me tell you. If it wasn't for my parents I wouldn't have even gone complete waste of time in my opinion. However I hate it and my grades are fine, just like they were in high school when I hated that too.
I know my bf doesn't really care and his marks tend to be even better then mine. we go to class he zones off I fall asleep, we come in for tests and do fine without studying or even really caring and our teachers give us good grades we leave and come back the next semester and do it all again.
Really pretty futile if you ask me.
Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?
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I dont know anyone who has failed a grade. I dont think the teachers are allowed to fail anyone. Course all my friends are the ones who never fail, so there could be some I just dont know about. What I find amazing are the dudes going to college and cant spell and cant read. How in the heck are they making it thru college? There are people graduating from schools who cant read or write, cant do math and know absolutely nothing about history.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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marc
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Lets just leave it at "I don't like you..... and you don't like me..... whatevey you say I will more than likely have issue with and whatever I say you will as well....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I don't have an issue with any opinion you may have. It is when you start criticising me personally that I have an issue. It hurts.
I'm aware I have crossed the line to rudeness, but whether "right" or not, I see it as perfectly justified in the circumstances. I do not see why you should get special treatment from other members of this board. I know for a fact that there are people who do not post here very often any more precisely because of your antisocial behaviour.
David
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