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Man I just got a speeding ticket. but it was worth it. the ticket says 80 in a 60. but it was more like 150 in a 60. I love to go fast al thogh i normaly don't go that fast normaly 120. It got my mind off things for the 5 min it took me to get home.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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What do you drive? And are those miles or kilometers?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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A modified Mazad 3 05 And it was 150mph/241kph. and no one but me and the cop where on the raod. it was a 4 lane high way all though i dont ever rember it bing that bumpy.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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He was only doing his job
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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I'm not surprised you got a ticket if you routinely drive at 120 or 150 mph. I think you lose your licence immediately if you're caught going faster than 100 in the UK. 70's the limit on motorways; 60 on normal roads; 30 in built-up areas.
Do they take away your licence if you get a certain number of tickets?
I am absolutely paranoid about speeding (and speed cameras). The fastest I have ever been is just over 90 mph, and that was overtaking on a clear motorway. I have no idea if my Citroen can do 100; it probably can. But I can't afford to have a prang -- I have to pay for road tax, repairs and insurance.
David
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That was the first time i have ever been over 130mph. no in the us if caught going above 30 you go to jail.
They do take away your license. But according to my record I have only had one. Really like 15. That’s where the layer comes in. I pay about the same with the layer as I would if I just paid the ticket. But the tickets are thrown out and I just pay court fines. There is rise in my insurance.
When the traffic I normally go 80mph
Speed cameras, I have to send you a article on those things there’s a problem with them at least here in US they'll give you a ticket even if you where not speeding.
The other thing I took class on how to hand a car at high speeds.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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>That was the first time i have ever been over 130mph. no in the us if caught going above 30 you go to jail.
You mean 30 miles an hour over the limit?
>They do take away your license. But according to my record I have only had one. Really like 15.
Um... 15? I do not understand how you can have got away with it so many times. A couple of times, maybe -- 15, no. Over here, the one thing the police are really on the ball about is catching and prosecuting speeding drivers. Burgled? Mugged? Beaten up? -- they're not interested. Go a bit over the speed limit? You'll hear from them in a matter of hours.
>That’s where the layer comes in. I pay about the same with the layer as I would if I just paid the ticket.
What is a layer?
>But the tickets are thrown out and I just pay court fines. There is rise in my insurance.
Out of interest, how much does your insurance cost a year? Is it in your name or your parents'? Do you have a no claims discount?
>Speed cameras, I have to send you a article on those things there’s a problem with them at least here in US they'll give you a ticket even if you where not speeding.
I'm terrified of the things. I'm not so terrified of 'a fair cop' (if I were speeding I would deserve it) as of going into a 40 or 30 mph zone in an unfamiliar neighbourhood without noticing, then going through a speed camera and being flashed. Sometimes I stop the car, turn round and drive back to make sure I was okay -- even if I'm fairly sure it never went off. That's irrational behaviour, really. Luckily (touch wood) I have not been caught yet.
In the UK, at least, the cameras are monitored by real people (I think many use film and have to be visited and reloaded periodically) and if the camera is faulty, it will be picked up before a fine is sent.
>The other thing I took class on how to hand a car at high speeds.
Er... on private roads? While it might mean you are a slightly safer driver I don't think it gives you an excuse to speed on public roads. I'm don't worry so much that you'll hurt yourself (though I hope you don't), nor that you'll upset the police, but I do worry that you might hurt someone else.
David
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Jason, Im not being judgemental, so please dont be angry with me. Have you ever thought that you might hurt or kill someone. It would kill me if I was speeding and hit another car and killed some kid, or crippled him for the rest of his life.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Sorry very little sleep last night.
That was the first time I have ever been over 130 mph.
In the U.S if caught going above 30 mph above the speed limit you go to jail.
They do take away your license.
But according to my driving record I have only ever had one ticket. But really I have gotten 15 tickets. 14 where thrown out.
That’s where the lawyer comes in. I pay about the same amount with the lawyer as I would if I just paid the ticket. But the tickets are thrown out and I just pay court fines.
There is no increase in my insurance.
Cause officially the ticket dose not exist.
When the traffic I normally go 80mph on the highway.
Speed cameras, I have to send you a article on those things there’s a problem with them at least here in US they'll give you a ticket even if you where not speeding.
The other thing I took class on how to hand a car at high speeds.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Yes, I do think about other people that are on the road. That’s why when I do go 120mph it at night when no one is on the toll road. Just me and 4 empty lanes.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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If you want high speed driving, take the car to a track day. It's the other guy who hasn't been trained that you need to worry about, specially if he=is har contains your future life partner
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13796
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that was "his car contains....."
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Bravo, Brian! Well said. We can ruin another's life by what we do and do not do on the roads and highways. I wonder if Jason has ever thought what he might have done to the life of the driver of that bus had Amber not succeeded in stopping him.
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Jason wrote:
That’s why when I do go 120mph it [is] at night when no one is on the toll road. Just me and 4 empty lanes.
And that one other car that you didn't see because of the blind spot in your mirror.
JFR
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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what car
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Most people do not have the luxury of being able to engage a lawyer every time they are caught speeding. It may not be much more expensive than a ticket, but if it's really happened fifteen times then you must have a lot of money at your disposal that most other people do not. I am not quite sure how this fits in with my idea of you as someone who does not have the resources to live independently of his parents.
I do not think that counting on being able to manipulate the legal system through the use of a lawyer is anything like being a responsible driver. Being a responsible driver is not to speed. You might get away with a slapped wrist or even scott free a few times, but eventually the laws of probability indicate the outcome will be far worse -- maybe for you, but more worrying is the thought that it could happen to someone else as well.
In the UK, at least, I'm unsure what a lawyer could argue in court. Our Gatso speed cameras have calibrated scales on the road so that it is, as far as I know, possible to work out exactly how fast a car was going at the point that one went off. This serves as good enough proof for a court of law. I suppose if you make enough of a nuisance of yourself, you might be able to escape on some technicality. That would, however, be dishonest if you were genuinely and unrepentantly speeding at the time.
Like Brian, I hate to appear judgemental, but whereas you're likely to get a lot of sympathy from people round here when you have a personal problem that is not directly your fault, the same does not apply in the case of speeding, which is in the end a selfish act.
While it's not strictly related to speeding, I do also recommend you give JFR's second comment, his reply to Brian -- the one about the bus driver -- a bit of thought. It is, in my opinion, the most chilling thought in this entire discussion.
David
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ProfZodiac
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Location: United States
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He's talking about the hypothetical car that you hit when you're going double the speed limit.
Dude, slow down. I'm serious. I'm not 21 yet, and I've been in two major accidents, neither of them speed-related. Just this past Sunday, I had my front left wheel come clear off my car when I was going 65 mph on a four-lane highway, in traffic. I had to maneuver to the side of the road, across two lanes, while shooting up sparks past my own window. If I'd been driving anything other than my Jeep Grand Cherokee, the car would have rolled, and I might be dead right now. But I made it to the shoulder, I didn't hit anything (I'm a good driver), and the car is getting an estimate on repairs.
You don't need to be the one who's out of control to get into an accident. Somebody else could make a minor mistake, and then you die cause you hit them at an absurd rate of speed. Driving well isn't about knowing what your own car can do and can't do - it's about knowing what to expect from the blue SUV in your lane ahead of you, the white Mercedes in your blind spot on the right, the boat-sized Cadillac directly behind you.
Slow down, seriously.
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On the money issue it takes up 1 pay check which is 80 hours of work. but the court system of the city where the tickets are takes up to 3 months before you can even see a judge. so I have a little time. I do not speed that fast all the time. Just when I need a pick from a bad day. And on most of the tickets I paid nothing cause the city did not keep up its side of deal, to keep all signs visible.
I will have to take a pay day loan to pay for this one.
My car insurance is $1,563.40 every 6 mouths.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Just when I need a pick from a bad day
sould say
Just when I need a pick up from a bad day
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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When I turned 16 I got my drivers license and the next day went out to purchace a used VW bug.....
It was pretty clean for a used car and for a few minutes I felt like I was on top of the world....
Later that night, I drove the car into a copse of trees....
I was told it took 2 teips with the tow truck to get it all to the junk yard....
The police asked why I didn't use my breaks....
Silly policeman....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Adam said,
>Driving well isn't about knowing what your own car can do and can't do - it's about knowing what to expect from the blue SUV in your lane ahead of you, the white Mercedes in your blind spot on the right, the boat-sized Cadillac directly behind you.
Not to mention motorcyclists, bicyclists, people in small/open cars, etc. They're common in the UK (even on dual carriageways and motorways, except bicycles which aren't allowed on motorways) 'cos they're cheaper to run and there are less restrictions on where they can go. Those are also the most exposed, so while you might come off okay if one of you did something unpredictable, their chances aren't as good.
David
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Taking your car to a track and driving round it at high speed in a controlled environment is a great pickup. It was meant to be positive 
One guy I work with invited me to drive his heavily modified TVR Griffith (5 litres of V8 on a no weight shell, old model, but see http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/) round a track. I learnt how much more I needed to learn about high speed driving, and I've been driving since I was 17
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Jason said,
>My car insurance is $1,563.40 every 6 months.
I'm surprised to find that there is actually someone in the world who has higher insurance premiums than me! I was under the impression, given the ubiquity of teenage drivers in America, that it would be quite a lot less than that. This year my premium was £1040, which is about $1950 a year in USD. That's about 130% of the value of my car. Your car sounds quite a lot more valuable than mine, though.
Sorry, ignore me -- I tend to grumble about the costs of driving in this country. Petrol is, of course, far more expensive over here (about $7 per US gallon, converted).
David
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$115.44
thats my net profit every month
thats if i don't go do some thing with friends
And i bitch when gas gose up to $3 a Gallon
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Hmm.
$3 a gallon would be 42p per litre. Don't think we've seen those prices in the UK for many a year.
David
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whats the tax rate over there. Second maybe you should move over here.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Jason, do you know the game of Snakes and Ladders?
You have spent several days on this MB laboriously climbing the ladder of sympathy because of your personal troubles. Within a few hours you have slithered down a long snake to a pretty low point because of boasting about your driving.
Be sensible, Jason. We all want to hug you and help you, but you must help yourself. It's hard to hug a person in a wooden overcoat.
Still hugging
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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No Message Body
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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cossie
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On fire! |
Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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... who know when NOT to hit the 'Enter' key!
What I really meant to say is that I do understand the exhilaration of fast driving and the psychological high it can generate. I still enjoy it - my son reckons I'm the oldest boy racer in town! - though nowadays I satisfy myself with tricky cornering and the other technical but legal aspects of adrenalin driving. I agree with Timmy - go to an off-road track if you really do need to blow the cobwebs away. However good you are, you CAN lose control - a sudden acute pain, an animal running out from the verge, a mechanical fault; any of these can defeat the most skilful driver. I see where you're coming from when you talk of empty roads, but even if your lanes are empty a loss of control might somersault you over the central reservation barriers into the path of oncoming traffic. It's a risk too far.
I do agree with you about speeding tickets, though. There's a lot of talk about 'loopholes' and 'getting off on technicalities', but the only question that really matters is 'was the law broken?'. If the law defining a particular speed restriction specifies that the initial limit sign shoud be clearly visible and that small repeater signs should appear at intervals of not more than 500 metres, then the absence or obstruction of these signs means that the speed limit is invalid. And if the limit is invalid the law is NOT broken if the speed limit is exceeded. This links to what Deeej said about driving in an unfamiliar town. Though in the UK the basic urban speed limit is 30mph, there are dozens of stretches of road with limits of 40mph, 50mph or even 20mph. My local city, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, has many miles of 50mph urban roads, some of which are single carriageway. Other cities may have a blanket 30mph limit, even on dual carriageways. My pet hate is the speed limit sign immediately before a roundabout; if you don't know the area, your attention will be on the direction signs as you approach, and then on direction arrows in the approach lanes and traffic on the roundabout itself. The chances of missing the limit sign are high, simply because it is badly sited. If a driver feels that he wasn't driving carelessly, why on earth shouldn't he check out the location thoroughly and defend himself against an unfair ticket? (Btw, 'him' inludes 'her'!)
Anyway, enjoy your (legal!) driving - if you like driving it's damn' good therapy for almost anything!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I owe you all an apology. I become a DICK when people come to close. It’s my way of push people back. And none of you deserve my arrogance and my asshole behavior.
You all have helped me so much.
Just hit me upside the head if act like that again.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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> Yes, I do think about other people that are on the road. That’s why when I do go 120mph it at night when no one is on the toll road. Just me and 4 empty lanes. <
...you know, i had 3 people say something so parallel to that, quite defensively while being triaged in handcuffs at work this summer. it's scary. 2 out of those 3 people killed someone. "it's nighttime," or "it's 3 (or 4) lanes one way!"
accidents can happen when you don't expect it, or assume things are safe when doubling a speed limit really isn't safe. that's why they call them accidents.
just saying, not judging.
my void does not want.
-- 2.13.61.
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I think Nigel just gave you a pretty good slap. Just try to keep in mind that we like you, if we didnt we wouldnt try to help you. We really do care about you. We like you just for yourself. Well I say we, I can only speak for myself. If we lived int eh same town, I imagine we would be good friends. even here we can be good friends, no question, nothing expected. Just be yourself.
I believe in Karma....what you give is what you get returned........
Affirmation........Savage Garden
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Deeej wrote:
$3 a gallon would be 42p per litre.
David, didn't they teach arithmetic in Winchester?  I think you'll find that $3 per gallon works out at around 67p per litre in today's values.
FWIW, in Israel petrol (which translates into 'gas' in American) costs around 71p ($1.34) per litre. MY 3rd-party insurance this year came to about 220 pounds sterling. Add on to that a similar sum for the comprehensive insurance.
UK and USA sound like very expensive places to run a car, to live in.
JFR
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I suppose that means you hate copse?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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1 US Gallon is 3.7843 litre, so $3 per US Gallon is $0.792749 per litre.
At today's exchange rate of 1 USD = 0.532773 GBP that is £0.422355
US gallons are smaller than real gallons. It is historical and to do with "the wine gallon". Our pints are 20 ounces, theirs are 16.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Winchester must be better than I thought I have a broken leg, so I am temporarily incapable of the more recondite applications of arithmetic. When I get this cast off I'll show you what a real ballsup I can make of simple calculations!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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