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timmy
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OK, this is Brits only I guess.
One side plot was abouyt a kid of 14 who was injured badly in a (gay?) nightclub. I didn't see the start, I was channel flitting.
He was with his boyfrined who was over 16 (age of consent here is 16). The older friend didn't know the kid's age, though itwas pretty obvious to look at him. Incidentally the actor was cute as hell!
When the age was revealed the older lad recoiled in horror and ran out on him burbling about "You're too young, were you going to tell me after my name was on the Sex Offenders Register!!??"
Which brings me to a serious question.
Is this likely to be true to life with gay teens nowadays?
The reason I ask is that, as the older teen, I would not have behaved that way, "secure" in my knowledge that my love/affection/lust was perfect and woudl surpass all legal requirements.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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By "Brits only" I meant did any brits see the show! Not "only brits to answer.
I think the kid may have been Lee Battle, but can't find any pictures to prove it. But, if it was he, WOW, this actor is 19 and plays a gorgeous 14 year old. Now that I call wonderful. A truly legal fantasy!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Teens fuck..... fucking is what teens do.....
They don't think..... They fuck..... If they DO happen to chance upon a thought it is about getting laid.....
If a teen tells you they don't fuck..... They are either lying, ugly as a bucket of assholes or too scared to go out looking for a fuck.....
Would a teen recoil in abject horror at the discovery that his teen partner was below the AOC?..... Probably not..... He would be rejoicing that he scored..... If he did recoil it would be a ruse to try and save his own ass from a boatload of trouble.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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So, a "moral story line" then, to teach us how to behave in that situation.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Is this a question or a statement?
I don't understand the context.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Sorry, I meant in the show. The fact that the older teen "ran away" because the kid was under age. I guess it was a question 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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How to behave in a situation like that.....
First....... DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION LIKE THAT....
But if it should happen, look to the causes....
Could it be that the older teen was obcessed with finding a sex partner that "looked 14"????
Could it possibly be the notion of finding the perfect sex partner? (by perfect I mean unblemished and full of that youthful exuberance)
Could it just have been the liquor imparing his judjment???
Having not seen the show, did the older teen bring the younger to the club or did they meet there?
If he brought the teen to the club then he had a responsibility to be sure he was of legal drinking age let alone legal screwing age..... Which brings up another moral delema.... If the older teen did indeed bring the younger to the club then he is knowingly putting the club owner in jeopardy as well..... That being the case did not the club owner dismiss his responsibility to check the age of a patron that looked 14 years old?
I am sure I can think of a few more twists .......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Sorry, I was channel flitting. I just caught this plotline as it was ending. I think younger was chasing older, but then I have no idea. But, even so, in real life the older woudl hardy have been ocncerned about being charged with underage sex, especially since nothing seems to have taken place.
Oh, here, the seller of booze is responsible whoever brings an underage perosn to the bar. It used to be illegal to try to buy alcohol, not it is illegal to sell it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Ahhhh.....
will the program be aired again?
what channel was the program on?
Is there a url for the channel?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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We get BBC Prime here too, but I think that the scheduling is different in each country. I will look out for it - but don't hold your breath. About the only thing that seems to be up-to-date is Eastenders, which I NEVER watch!
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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marc
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This is a serial drama?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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It's a medical soap, I think. Serial drama, yes. Apparently over 500 episodes have been made.
David
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timmy
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Yes. It's not bad if you like a bit of gore.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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cossie
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I'm not an avid fan, but I do watch it occasionally. It's a cut above the half-hour soaps, though it's as much a soap as a medical drama. It has been phenomenally successful, spawning another concurrent soap/medical drama - 'Holby City' - which is set in a different part of the same hospital. Both are filmed in Bristol, a city which in many respects is a location-finders dream!
Anyway, enough of my spurious defence of my decision to watch! The younger kid, who was 14, had clearly come out some time ago to his feisty female best friend. She knew he was looking for internet contacts, but didn't have the confidence to follow them up. She snatched his mobile, checked his contacts and found an invitation from the older kid to meet. She persuades younger kid to follow through, shoplifting a snazzy shirt for him by way of encouragement. Younger kid has claimed to be 16 or 17. The two kids meet and hit it off immediately. Older kid is 17 or 18. Older kid takes younger kid to gay club, assuring him that they won't check ages. They don't! Older kid buys two beers as first round. Younger kid obviously overwhelmed by the whole club scene. Nevertheless, passionate kisses ensue. Younger kid goes to bar for second round. Barman pulls drinks, but kid doesn't have enough money. Barman becomes suspicious, asks for identification. Younger kid doesn't have it. Barman signals for bouncer to come over. Younger kid panics, dashes for exit, trips and falls on table strewn with empty glasses. Multiple lacerations, hence admission to casualty ward. Older kid doesn't travel in ambulance, but appears at hospital later. Big 'I'm here for you' scene. Feisty girl turns up; obvious from her conversation that younger kid is underage. Exit older kid, as described by Timmy. Younger kid pissed off with feisty girl. Feisty girl consequently pissed off with younger kid. Exit feisty girl, making sure that hospital informs younger kid's parents that he suffered an accident in a gay club. Scriptwriter loses bottle and doesn't tell us what happened next. Does this fill in what you need to know?
From what I hear on the grapevine, there is concern in gay circles about kids pretending to be 16 when they are not. In essence, over 16s are not averse to relationships with under 16s as long as they know what they are doing and can take appropriate precautions, but they are pissed off by 'pretend' over 16s, because if the relationship comes to light they are guilty of a sexual offence even if they genuinely believed that the relationship was legal. In this case, my sympathies are with the older kid - and anyway, I thought he was the cuter of the two!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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timmy
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Ah, ta muchly. Who were the actors, though? I wanna check who was cuter than whom! I arrived at about the time the ambulance did, you see, but in this household I do not have control of the remote!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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From my experience through online communities and personals sites and whatnot. I do think the reaction of the older was a little extreme. However, in some teen chats there is a very real paranoia about paedophiles. As an 18 year old when I used to visit teen chats, I'd say at least 40% of people would discount me on account of my age (including legal guys!) and probably about 10% of the chat room would term me a "paedophile" for being an 18 year old "adult" in a teen chat room. For some people more than a 2 year age gap is too much.
There is also a very large "female" section of gay teen sites, that is, a large percentage of the population claim to want a relationship and seem to be totally uninterested in sex. And I don't just mean casual sex. I'm sure a lot of this is talk and naivety, as most will probably end up fucking on the first date, but it's pretty interesting how the gay teen community views itself. I don't know where the influence comes from, but after observing the online gay teen community and the adult online and club gay communities, it is sometimes hard to draw the lines between the two.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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cossie
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Unfortunately, I can't remember the characters' names with any sort of certainty, but the 'possibles' were -
Nathan Spencer (played by Ben Price)
Greg Fallon (played by Kip Gamblin)
Sean Maddox (played by Gerald Kyd)
Ben Pitnel (played by Lee Battle)
Jamie Becket (played by Christian Louis Cooke)
My money's on Nathan and Sean, but I'll check next week's casr list to exclude any regulars.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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legally speaking, the older kits reaction was spot on...
if you're 18+ get with someone you think is over 16, but who turns out is younger, the fact that you didn't know is still no defence in law... though a sympathetic judge may hold it in mitigation.
his concerns about the register are well grounded. you don't even need a criminal conviction to end up on the register, yet the mere presence of you name on that list, even if for only a year will permanently close a large numbers of doors to you for the rest of your life.
ultimately though, in my experience most people actually are not worried about the AOC. as previous topics relating to the Queer as Folk scenario showed, teens 14 plus to appear on the gay scene, (and i presume the straight scene too) can get into nightclubs and do get together with older people. different people have different age limits... my own age preference is around 3 years either side of my age (currently 17-23) but people like who they like, love who they love, and ultimately age is pretty irrelevant to that.
Generally speaking, if i was in that situation, i'd be annoyed that he'd lied to me than that i might end up on the SOR... there's always a great deal of prosecutor discretion over what gets charged, and if the younger one makes all the advances, lies about his age etc, its hard to attach any real culpability to the older one. the sentencing guidelines councils article on offence seriousness puts culpability above harm when it comes to determing seriousness...
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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with the exception of Christian Cooke and Lee Battle, the other actors have all appeared in several episodes acording to IMDB. the latter two are also both born in both 1987, so young enough to play the role... sorta...
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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timmy
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The character's name was Ben, so Lee Battle, But no pics of him anywhere.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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At 16 I wouldn't have known that a thing like a SOR existed. So I wouldn't have cared. I would have been more worried about my/ his parents finding out.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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