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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoDpZktZ_RI
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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... cute boyfriend! If only I was 237 years younger ... !
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I ment them.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
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You expect me to have a threesome?
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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what am i going to do with u.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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cossie
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On fire! |
Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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... I could suggest a few ideas!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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i think some one needs a cold shower. By him self!
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13800
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What is really nice is how a smile and a light behind the eyes can make even a reasonably plain face look cute.
As I watched it I was thinking how truly great it is that so many kids who are gay can grow up finding dates, boyfriends, love, affecton, romance and fulfilled lust today who could not even a few years ago.
Today is freer that even when Deej was growing through it only just now, and hugely freer than when I was.
We haven't "done it" yet. There's still time for it all to go horribly wrong, but look how nornal and natural these lads are. Ordinary boys who just happen to be gay, and who can show it on public transport without caution.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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oh yea, did not like that one.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Buy the way one with long hair (will) is from the UK. And the one with short hair (Nathan) is from Scotland.
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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The UK is short for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. That includes Scotland  Which part of the UK is the one from who is from the UK?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Don't know
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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ProfZodiac
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The way I recall it, and folks from across the pond can feel free to correct me, was that Great Britain was England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and the United Kingdom was everything under the Queen's domain, including Canada, Australia, etc.
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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Mmm... my brother is 6 years younger than me and being gay seems much more accepted to him and his school mates than it was to me when I was at school. I like to think that I made a small difference by being publically out in grade 12. That some straight people became less homophobic and that some gay people became more comfortable with themselves. It is the pioneers, those that put themselves out that cut through the jungle of homophobia and misconception and fought, often with blood to make the path as "easier" to tread as it is today.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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Afraid not. The British Empire, and then The British Commonwealth were everything we owned at one point.
Great Britain is England Sctoland and Wales
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the UK
Forward Deej and Cossie to correct me!
[Updated on: Mon, 16 October 2006 20:55]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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The thing today is that the pioneers of Marc's group, the guys who went to and spoke at or supported the Gay Liberation Front conferences in the 1970s and before, the brave young men who even dared to stand up to university authority and risk careers and earning power, those had it so hard that it is unbelievable today, and they paved the way for current generations to find it easier.
That is not in any way to belittle the challenges a young gay man faces today. They are tough, but different.
It's damnably hard to say "I am gay" even you yourself the first time. But it is easier to tell others.
Those of us who were not like the conference going, flag waving lioberators shoudl not feel ashamed. We had our own lives to lead, and led them in our best ways. We may be making our difference later than we wished, but we are making it today, too.
And today's young teenagers? They have a huge difference to make, too. Theirs is the job of keeping "gayness" in proportion. It is a simple part of us, and a small part of who we are.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy, I agree with much of what you say. I may just have missed out on being one of the"brave young men" of the 1970s as I didn't fully come out until Easter 1980, but I certainly agree that different people have different times and opportunities in their lives to make a difference.
But I have to disagree about "the job of keeping "gayness" in proportion. It is a simple part of us, and a small part of who we are." For some of us, that may be true. For me, it most certainly isn't! While being gay is only a small part of my everyday life, at the same time everything I do is shaped by my experience as a gay man. It underpins the careers choices I've made, my political persusaions, my whole attitude to life ... it is fundamental to who I am, even though I am not a "scene" person, and most of my friends are straight. In that sense (and clearly I wouldn't push the parallel too far) it seems to resemble the experiences of my Asian and Afro-Caribbean friends in respect of their cultural identities.
So, I think perhaps the experience of being gay could join the other things - like being male (or female), being English (or American, or Irish, or whatever), that actually can be (but are not always) really major parts of us, but at such a low level of awareness that we often don't even think of them from one day to the next.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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I agree with NW here....
Being at those conferences and although not speaking myself, I watched and listened to my partner talk of the trials of growing up gay in America.
As for participation..... Different people have different talents and therefore participart in different ways and at different levels.
While I like going out to a club now and then I can by NO means say I am a club person. Most of my friends in business are straight and they have no reservations or problems with Kevy or myself reguarding the gay issue or our relationship.....
I wouldn't say kids today have it any easier but I would say that their problems are somewhat different than the ones I faced when the same age....
As far as gayness shaping who I am and how I live my life..... I have to agree 100% with NW that being gay is as a part of who I am as being left handed or an American or male or a teacher (albeit retired)....
[Updated on: Mon, 16 October 2006 16:37]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc, I think the comparison with lefthandedness is excellent (I'm also lefthanded).
It's something that has gone from being socially discouraged (many people of my generation and older were forced to write right-handedly) to something that is only a "problem" in the sense that we are a minority, and a lot of everyday stuff is not designed for us. Most of the time, for most of us, it's easiest just to make do with righthanded stuff and we get so used to doing it that we nearly stop thinking about it, but no-one thinks much the worse of us for using appropriate resources (left-handed scissors, cheque-books, guitars, golfclubs, ...) when we feel we need to.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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Timmy, you're right.
It's quite easy to remember what the UK is if you remember its full name is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Then all you need to remember is that the big island is called Great Britain, and the small island is called Ireland.
From that you know already what the UK is not (it does not include the Falkland Islands, for example, because they are not part of either the big island or the top part of the little island). You can tell that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain because otherwise it would not need to be listed separately in the definition.
England, Scotland and Wales are historical constituent countries within but are no longer real countries in their own right. Nor is Northern Ireland, the island of Britain or the island of Ireland, even though people may refer to them as such for historical reasons. The only "real" countries are the UK and a totally separate country called the Republic of Ireland.
Since England, Wales and Scotland are all on the big island, they are part of Great Britain; and they are part of the UK because Great Britain is part of the UK. Nothern Ireland is technically not part of Britain, but loyalist Northern Irish people may call themselves British anyway, just to confuse things.
The remaining British overseas territories are called British Overseas Territories and I'm not very sure of their legal status. Many former British Empire colonies are also part of the British Commonwealth, but this is not and never has been part of the UK.
David
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timmy
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Gentlemen, forgive me. I mean, by my statement that being gay is a small part of us, that, despite its obvious importance in our emotional and physical needs, those, just like heterosexuality, are not the most important part of us.
We are not our sexual orientation, we are ourselves. A part of ourselves contains the orientation.
We are not arguing, I think. Instead we are acknowledging.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Timmy said,
>What is really nice is how a smile and a light behind the eyes can make even a reasonably plain face look cute.
I'd go further than that -- for me, the smile is the attraction. If a person doesn't smile, I don't find them attractive. This chap is infinitely cuter than models that preen and glower for the camera. They really don't do anything for me at all. (Also, he looks a little like someone I used to know at school.)
>Today is freer that even when Deej was growing through it only just now, and hugely freer than when I was.
I think the internet has made a lot of the difference. Web sites, support forums, chat rooms, Youtube -- before them a young gay person would have had much more trouble establishing that it's "normal" to be gay, and encountering examples of happy gay relationships. I remember when I was 13 or 14 the only time I ever heard about specific gay relationships was when they ended up in the newspaper (usually for sordid and horrible reasons). I had no idea they were going on around me. I discovered you could use the internet for communicating with like-minded individuals when I was about 17 -- but by then, I'd already spent four or five years convinced that I was the only person in my predicament. I think if I'd been born five years later I'd have formed a good idea of my sexuality much earlier, and been happier about it as a result.
David
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cossie
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... the inhabitants of Northern Ireland are fully entitled to call themselves British if they so wish. That's because the larger island (Great Britain) and the smaller island (Ireland), together with lots of other even smaller islands, collectively constitute the British Isles. Thus even the Prime Minister of the Republic of Ireland is 'British' in terms of his geographic origin.
Even in political terms the inhabitants of Northern Ireland are 'British'; the political term embraces all residents of the United Kingdom, and also some residents of former Commonwealth nations.
There are some strange peculiarities!
The Isle of Man, which lies in the Irish Sea pretty well equidistant from England, Ireland and Scotland, is part of the British Isles but not part of the United Kingdom. The Queen is Head of State (under the title Lord of Mann) but the island is self-governing in almost every respect except defence. Manx citizens have full British nationality, but they are not citizens of the European Union unless they have a parent or grandparent who was a UK citizen, or they have resided in the UK long enough to claim UK citizenship. Consequently, they have no automatic right to live or work in any EU state other than the UK.
The Channel Islands - Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark, Herm and a few smaller islands - are neither part of the British Isles (they lie just off the French coast) nor of the United Kingdom. That apart, their political situation, including the peculiarity about EU citizenship, is pretty much the same as that of the Isle of Man. In law, the Head of State is the Queen of England; this dates from the Treaty of Paris in 1259, at which time Wales, Scotland and Ireland were fully independent nations. The Channel Islanders, however, propose their loyal toast to 'The Queen and Duke of Normandy', though the English monarch only claimed the latter title between 1066 and 1259.
And then there is Rockall! It's an uninhabited rock in the mid North Atlantic, almost 400 miles from the UK mainland, but less that 200 miles from the offshore UK islands of St.Kilda. Rockall is only a few metres high, a few metres long and a few metres wide. The UK first claimed the rock shortly after World War II, in order to prevent any possibility that the USSR might use it as a spy station. Later, there was a full scale UK invasion (consisting of two invaders!), when in the best colonial manner the Union Jack was raised and a plaque was fixed to the rock, claiming it as United Kingdom territory. By this time, the UK was thinking in terms of fishing and oil exploration rights. The claim is disputed by the Irish Republic, Iceland and Denmark (by virtue of its responsibility for the Faroe Islands), and international negotiations are continuing. The odd thing is that Rockall is not part of the British Isles, but - by virtue of an Act of Parliament in 1972 - it IS part of the United Kingdom, administered by Comhairle nan Eilean Siar (in English, The Western Isles Regional Council). As they say in the US of A, go figure!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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