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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I just logged in to the site's paypal account. They have "limited" the account, freezing any money in there for 180 days, and not allowing me to make payments or receive cash. It is a "no appeal" thjing, and I look to be unable to lift it. Dealing with them was always difficult, and it is impossible to get through by phone.
I wish I knew what was going on. We are well within their acceptable use policy, and we are well within their user agreement.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Customer Service
4:00 AM PST to 10:00 PM PST Monday through Friday
6:00 AM PST to 8:00 PM PST on Saturday and Sunday
Call us at: 1-402-935-2050 (a U.S. telephone number)
I dialed and got an agent but it took a long time on hold.....
Go figure....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Ok, so what can we do?
I need me friends here. Tho I hardly ever speak out, I care about u all writers. What do me do next?
Bon
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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They seem to have CLOSED my account. Ah well. I will just have to work something else out.
They say "There is no appeal"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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The site is safe. Don't worry about that.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Oh, and just to be really useful, in the UK if your account has been force closed there is no ability to speak to anyone at all, ever.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13800
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Mature Audiences Policy
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of, or receipt of donations for, any obscene or sexually oriented goods or services.
In determining what goods or services are prohibited under the Mature Audiences Policy, PayPal will consider some or all of the following factors:
* Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct.
* Representations or descriptions of intercourse, masturbation, excretory functions, or lewd exhibition of the genitals.
* Dominant theme of the material or website.
* Literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
* Safety and protection of its customers, both buyers and sellers.
* Medical or educational usage of the product or service.
Any sexually oriented goods or services involving minors, or made to appear to involve minors, will automatically be treated as violations of the Mature Audiences Policy.
PayPal will not include sexual preferences or viewpoints as a factor in determining what goods or services are prohibited under the Mature Audiences Policy.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Is whom do I use for donations to the site?
I need to be able to take very small value donations internationally and very infrequently without giving everything away to the payment service provider. Thatls because, put simply, I want donations to pay for the site, not for some big fat cat CEO
I really have no idea where to turn. The site is paid up for 6 months so we have time. There is no rush. and in 6 months I get the rest of the cash out of paypal (I was just about to pay for some more site, dammit) and can pay for some more site very easily. But what payment vehicle do we use?
I don't want to rely on my friends here. As far as I can tell we got a trickle of donations from all over the world from people who just enjoy yhe site.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Heres one http://checkout.google.com/sell
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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Does your hosting company provide you with any shopping cart utilities?
For the commercial websites I administer we use our own SSL shopping cart and all transactions go directly into a standard banking account which is set up by our clients.
This allow them to offer a method of secure online payment while not having to deal with things like paypal.
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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I'm really not looking for someone to buy 12 months, you know. It is not much at all, it's pocket money. The thing about it is that people asked me so often if they could give a little, so I created the facility. I'm very careful not to make money with it, just to break even.
I won't deny that it also makes me happy not even to pay pocket money, but that is a different matter entirely.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13800
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The hosting company provides only server space.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
Messages: 13800
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Regrettably it excludes:
Adult goods and services: Pornography and other sexually suggestive materials (including literature, imagery and other media); escort or prostitution services
Well, we have sexually suggestive materials including literature. This is more restrictive that paypal.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Would it help to open a normal Visa or Mastercard account? I know they cream off 2.5% or worse, but at least they are not judgemental. Also currency is less of a problem, charges apart.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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The company we do business with charges a base $119.40 per year and the Secure Socket Layer is an additional $60.00 per year. Here, a verification process is manditory to verify the integrity of the "SSL" reguarding customer security and that is an additional $100.00 per year but the verification might not be required in the UK, you would know better than I.
If this is comparable to what you currently pay annually contact me.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Why not just put a postal address and accept money orders?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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http://zme.amazon.com/exec/varzea/subst/fx/home.html/058-5634029-9908049
"We may reject your application if we determine (in our sole discretion) that you or your Web site is unsuitable for the Payment Service. Unsuitable sites may include those that promote obscene or pornographic materials; promote violence; promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, or age; promote illegal activities; facilitate gambling, sweepstakes or lotteries; include "amazon" or variations or misspellings thereof in their domain names; solicit money or investment contrary to applicable law or rule; state or imply that we endorse the site or its contents; or otherwise violate intellectual property rights."
http://zme.amazon.com/exec/varzea/subst/fx/help/participation-agreement.html/ref=zm_hp_hs_09/058-5634029-9908049
You might have a chance, 'cos a good case can be made that the site is not obscene nor pornographic. It certainly doesn't promote illegal activities.
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marc
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Playing the "let's see if we can squeeze under their radar" is only a short term solution.
To poke them with the "well you didnt specifically say it" stick will not help either.
The only long term solution would be to handle payments in house.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Er, actually this system needs them to approve the application first. I'm not advocating squeezing anything. I'm simply saying that they may not turn down Timmy's application on principle alone. If they do approve it then it becomes a medium/long-term solution, because hopefully they won't suddenly change their minds.
There's no way Timmy could handle payments "in house". Even if he used an SSL shopping facility on this site he'd still have to find a payment processor. The problem as I understand it is that the major ones cost more to use than they would pull in. Personally, I would have thought that a system specifically designed for micropayments would be best. But in the end it's up to Timmy.
David
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Some ideas:
i. The hassle will put casual visitors off (the primary people this is aimed at).
ii. The address is not anonymous (without paying for a P.O. box).
Also, for international visitors:
iii. It's expensive and psychologically intimidating for people to post internationally.
iv. It's difficult to cash cheques and money orders from different countries or in different currencies in the UK.
David
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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£200-400 set up fee, £20-40 per month running costs. Good suggeston, but loads of hidden penalties
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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It is for US Billing addresses only, regrettably
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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It actually costs more to cash a non-sterling money order than the small amount people like to donate. There is no such thing as an international banking system.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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In the long run, the only solution is to handle payments in house.....
There is no "paypal" clone that will allow stories of the genre hosted on the site longer than it takes for them to notice what they actually are and then act on it.
Whatever.........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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The banks charge for cashing a money order from other currency markets?
What a freaking rip off.....!!!!!
What about setting up a subdomain? Do you have that capability?
If so, you could set up a one page subdomain and accept directly from that site.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I have found that the only way to send international, small-value payments to America without using Paypal is to go to the nearest bureau de change, get a genuine American banknote, and post it.
Paypal basically is the world's only international banking system, unless you can accept credit cards.
David
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Could your bank take a British cheque, from a British bank, made out in UK pounds? Whenever I have asked Americans on ebay, they have told me that it's not possible. That is the standard way of posting money in the UK.
International money orders (not British postal orders or American money orders) are complicated and expensive to purchase and difficult to cash. I do not know of anyone who routinely uses them. And converting from one currency to another is always problematic.
David
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marc
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Ebay sellers are a paranoid lot.....
I have deposited checks as well as moneyorders from Germany, Italy, the UK, Kenya, Australia among others.....
Where the difference lies in at least the 3 banks I use here in the town I live is that I deposit the checks or MO's and expect nothing but a long wait for them to clear....
The currency conversion of the day of deposit ia applicable so the amounts can vary a tiny bit, but is has never been a problem..... As far as being problematic.... If my bank does not know how to do a conversion then I will get a new bank..... After all, money is their business...
Ebayers tend to demand instant gratification, thus instant spending cash....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Interesting.
I have a personal account with two British banks and they have both told me that they don't accept cheques in USD. Maybe I need a business account to be able to do that. I could, of course, just send them the cheques and find out if it's more hassle to them to send them back or put the money in my account... 
David
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marc
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From what Tim has said in other places on this thread..... The UK's bank system is way different from what we have here....
I would try it though....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Maybe Tim could set up a remote account with an American bank.
That would, of course, not solve the problem of hassle to potential contributors.
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If you can trust the Royal Mail to deliver cash without the envelope being "damaged in the post", the best place for foreign exchange is the Post Office.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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With the homeland security act, I do not think a bank account can be set up remotly..... I tried to add a name to an account and it required all persons involved to be present at the same time to do the required paperwork and provide identification.....
It was a pain in the ass, but it does help alot as reguards preventing identity theft.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I am sure it must be possible to get flexible bank accounts in this country. London is, after all, one of the financial capitals of the world. Maybe they are not the same as bog-standard personal accounts, though.
Ah, well.
David
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You could set up an Amazon wishlist.
I appreciate that's not quite the point of the contributions.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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That one is interesting. That I like
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Aussie
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Here's another one to check out. Haven't had time to read it all but had a scan through terms of use and didn't see anything that would exclude you (but that's not to say it's not there)
I did read where they would make regular payments to a creditor
It does only seem to be in A$ or US$ though
https://www.paymate.com.au/?source=google
Aussie
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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Regrettably is Oz only for sellers
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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What is interesting....???????
What do you like....???????
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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