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1. Is the mild keratinisation of the penis a major issue? I know it reduces sensation a bit, but is this necessarily a bad thing (especially if the penis seems oversensitive already)? Presumably it does not hamper lovemaking significantly for circumcised men.
2. Is it permanent?
David
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Deeej wrote:
> 1. Is the mild keratinisation of the penis a major issue? I know it reduces sensation a bit, but is this necessarily a bad thing (especially if the penis seems oversensitive already)? Presumably it does not hamper lovemaking significantly for circumcised men.
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Judging from the guys I've talked to who have been circumcised as adults,(and from the very limited number of guys both cut and uncut that I've had sex with) the effects vary enormously from person to person. Some cut guys can be very insensitive on the glans indeed (others definitely aren't) - I suspect (on little evidence) that it may be related to skin type influencing the actual degree of keratinisation.
I've corresponded with a couple of guys who say that it took quite a while for them to adjust both lovemaking and masturbation techniques to achieve satisfaction after they were cut. On the other hand, I've corresponded with guys who say it made no difference. My own experience is that the "cut" lovers I've had have needed slightly different handling from the "uncut".
> 2. Is it permanent?
Well, foreskin restoration has - for me at least - resulted in considerable but not total de-keratinisation. That's after around ten years since I achieved "full coverage" of the glans. The increase in sensitivity has been considerable: much more than I would have believed.
Cautionary note: sex for many people takes place in the mind as much as in the body - so any of the effects could be to do with feeling happy about one's genitals, rather than the direct effect of circumcision!
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Thanks, NW. Your words are mildly reassuring.
(Warning: ignore the rest of this post if you're not interested in specific details about my genitalia!)
The reason I ask is that my glans was entirely unblemished until a few months ago; now it's a bit wrinkled and there is a toughening of the surface in places. I am sure that some of it will heal if I just leave the damn thing alone, but I doubt it will ever go back to its "virgin" state.
This is, I think, because I use a masturbation technique I would imagine is more commonly used by cut people. I pull the skin right back and touch the glans directly (though I still get quite a lot of benefit from the foreskin, and particularly the frenulum). Thus it's getting quite a lot of "wear and tear" at the moment. I have been unable to find another satisfactory technique. I put the foreskin back after I have finished, so the rest of the time it is protected that way.
My worry (as you know, I worry about everything!) is that I am irretrievably damaging myself and that if I continue the way I am going, the sensation will end up getting poorer and poorer. (Thus far it has been getting better and better, but I think that's principally down to technique, and this will inevitably plateau sooner or later.)
David
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I'm sure you'll be fine, David. In the extremely unlikely event that it starts to be bothersome, you can always try using a variety of different lubricants until you find one that hits a balance between protecting the glans and affording the desired degree of stimulation.
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timmy
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Mild keratinisaton is normal on exposed parts of the glans. It will dekeratinise if covered.
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I was not sure if dekeratinisation was possible or not. If so, that is useful to know.
Presumably all the nerves are still there. They are just slightly more difficult to get at.
David
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Timmy is right dekeritinisation will happen if it is kept covered. Keritinisation occurs in circed males because the glans is permanently uncovered. The glans is not covered by 'skin' but by mucous membrane similar to the inside of the eyelid. When it is uncovered permanently it tries to protect itself by thickening.
I seriously doubt you would be causing this to happen during masturbation. My suggestion would be to apply a good quality moisturing cream before you tuck the little fella back in.
Normally the foreskin has its own moisturising glands so maybe in your case they are not working properly but the cream will make a difference.
Yes sensitivity does improve significantly after dekeritinisation as any one who has restored will testify.
Aussie
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timmy
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The nerves will not be damaged. All that has happened is that they have been placed behind a layer. However the glans itself is not the part, in most males, of the penis that produces the orgasm. It has very poor receptors to sexual sensation, feeling pain, heat and cold, but not pleasure.
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Asked my roomy, said as a young teen he had the same prob., from using shampoo as a lube. So he suggested using a lube designed for the purpose. As has been said it will go away naturally in time. He said you could use an exfoliate, but that sounds a bit harsh to me! 
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Timmy said,
>However the glans itself is not the part, in most males, of the penis that produces the orgasm. It has very poor receptors to sexual sensation, feeling pain, heat and cold, but not pleasure.
I know you've said this a number of times, but I'd be interested in your reasoning, and a citation or two if possible.
If this is actually the case, what is the possible purpose in its being so incredibly sensitive to the touch?
David
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timmy
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I used to know where to look. I'll try to dig it up.
The glans is very sensitive to touch, but this is part of the "Sensitive to pain" process. Sexual sensation is different from touch.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I have used a bit of E45 cream and it has made all the difference. Whatever the problem was, it seems to have gone away with a little moisturiser and a bit of time to heal.
I don't know why I'm going out of my way to find things to worry about these days. Perhaps the fact that I'm moving house in the middle of next week and the movers have already started man-handling all of my much-loved possessions has something to do with it. I find it very stressful, even though I'm at university at the moment and away from it all.
David
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