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I have always wondered why american briefs have flys and Euopean briefs dont. Isnt it rather difficult to take a pee when you have to drop your pants. Of course then it could be a government plot to make men have to expose themselves when they pee.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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I thought the fly was namely for decoration or perhaps accomnodation. It is kind of a pain to use.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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Hee,hee,hee ... that's because it's supposed to face the front!!! You have your pants on backwards David.  )
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timmy
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Ah, the difference between the "Pant'ole" and the "up and over"
It depends on the brief, like so many things in life! Go back to the old Y Fronts, a fly, with great complexity, requiring a hunting trip before little willy could be found. After the Great Y Front Rebellion of 1970, briefs appeared with simpler flies and with no fly at all, and Y Fronts were doomed to the shelf in the airing cupboard where no-one ever goes.
Even with a pant'ole many men chose the up and over method, almost all eschewing the "through the leg" method of childhood and short trousers, remembering thigh drips and chafed thighs in the winter.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Y-fronts are what one wore when one was a little boy and one's underwear was bought by one's mother.
Most young people I know wear boxers, anyway.
David
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Hi David,
Just a short comment. I grew up in the 50's and first noticed that most older guys were wearing boxers then and so when most boys got to that rebellion stage we took to wearing briefs which I thought also were a bit more sexy actually. I never found it odd to use them and always used the fly on them, but then maybe they were made a bit differently in the USA.
I have noted that then also when my generation was raising children where most of the adult men were now wearing briefs, it became the thing for boys to start wearing boxers again. It seems to come around over and over I bet. Now we have those boxer brief things which look a bit uncomfortable to me and maybe a bit hot for in the summer. At least a lot worse than regular briefs and a lot hotter than boxers.
If I was younger and didnt have so many pairs of briefs I might go back to wearing boxers again. But those are not nearly as sexy looking on a guy.
Ken
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electroken wrote:
> Hi David,
> Just a short comment. I grew up in the 50's and first noticed that most older guys were wearing boxers then and so when most boys got to that rebellion stage we took to wearing briefs which I thought also were a bit more sexy actually.
This was true for me as well - I took to wearing briefs when I was about ten (in 1965). But I changed back to boxers when I got to around 30: simply for pragmatic reasons to do with foreskin restoration! And I've been wearing boxer-briefs for the past ten years or so (or nothing, under jeans).
As regards access through the fly fronts of any kind of underwear - none of them are made with left-handers in mind, and I've always found them completely impossible!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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NW, They do make briefs and boxers for left handed people, They can either be accessed from the right or left. I wear both boxer briefs and boxers. I agree that briefs look really sexy on a man, but boxers have their plus side too. Personally I like the choice of color and paterns.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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You can have color and patterns in briefs as well. Check out Ginch-Gonch, Andrew Christian, 2(x)ist, etc.
10percent.com has a good selection.
david
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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timmy
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When I grew up boxers were the province of the nerd. Only they seemed to be called "Flappy Baggy Pants". Anyone foolish enough to present himself in the changing room wearing them was subject to instant ridicule.
Since he was, ipso facto, a nerd, no-one bothered to remove them, and, for some reason, the wedgie was not de rigeur, but he was marked for ever as a wearer of flappy baggy pants. Thus we had "David Warren and his Flappy Baggy Pants" famous throughout the school for his mother's ill chosen underwear.
Y Fronts were also a subject of ridicule, though not as badly, but that was after good old St Michael, the patron saint of Marks and Spencer's (Jewish, how ironic) underwear, decreed that briefs were available in ~gasp~ light blue, and could have lower waistbands.
The lower waistband was caused by the "Hipster" trousers that became available, with waistbands far lower than the Simon Cowell high waister old gentleman's trouser. Having one's undergrament on show was not, then, fashionable. Instead we went for the enormous and rather sexy belt. The waistband stopped pretty much level with the top of the pubic triangle. Which reminds me about Geoff Ashcroft, a fellow student of metallurgy, whose display of lower abdomen had my pulse racing and another whom I never dared tell I wanted him.
Boxers, though I wear them, are the invention of the devil, as are any swimwear that is not a brief speedo style.
We vied for the hottest, sexiest swimwear at school. If it was not to be a speedo style, and those were new, yet old fashioned, then it had to be provocative in some way. My favourite to look at were a stretch towelling fabric which, wen wet, left little or nothing to the imagination. It was not that we had to imagine, because changing was communal and unashamedly nude, and yet there were objects of desire who somehow never seemed to be naked.
[Updated on: Fri, 27 April 2007 08:11]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hom have produced and patented the horizontal fly while right-handed briefs can be turned inside out and they instantly become left-handed. As someone said there are ambidextrous briefs, but they're not helpful with right handed trouser flies, and , let's face it, left-handed trouser flies are girlie. Btw I'd give my right arm to ambidextrous.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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Thats true, but have you checked out the prices?
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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Good point. Even on ebay Ginch Gonch goes for around 12$ a pair and up.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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saben
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Once I took to wearing boxers it was a short jump to wearing nothing. I only ever wear underwear if I'm going to be in a situation where I'll be expected to take my trousers off and have something on underneath, which I daresay is seldom nowadays! I did used to wear underwear when I was in my High School Musical, though! Getting changed with a bunch of other guys it would have been a little odd to let it all out when they were still "decent".
I find underwear is just a waste of my time and money. I don't find it any less comfortable than boxers and if I'm in shorts no-one sees anything, unless of course I want them to.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Underwear was invented for two reasons:- warmth
- skidmarks and dribbles
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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And to prevent you getting your John Thomas caught in your zip.
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Deeej wrote:
> And to prevent you getting your John Thomas caught in your zip.
This is possibly why I only go without underwear in jeans - all mine are button-fly 501's.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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I rather think that underwear pre-dates the zip.
I learn from Wikipedia that the zip was invented in 1914 by Gideon Sundbäck, although the catchy name which he gave it at the time was "Hookless Fastener No. 2".
The name zipper was not coined until 1923, by The B. F. Goodrich Company for the line of rubber overshoes that it made using the fastener.
Initially boots and tobacco pouches were the primary use for zippers and it wasn't until the 1930s that they caught on in the fashion industry. Wikipedia tells us that it was in 1937 that the zipper beat the button for the usage of the "fly" in trousers.
There was more reticence about its use in women's clothing. Clergy in the 1920s and 1930s described zippers as allowing one to take one's clothes off too quickly, thus hastening illicit sexual activity. It was seen as inappropriate to be worn by women because of this fact, and was not fully adopted until the late 1950s.
In a January 2007 television show in Canada, the zipper was chosen as No. 8 on the list of The Greatest Canadian Inventions. However, a slight technical complication with this is that Sundbäck was born in Sweden and invented his device whilst working in the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Sundback
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I'm surprised that velcro flies haven't caught on. I've only seen one pair of trousers with velcro. Of course pubic hair might well stick to it.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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saben
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1) I'm never that cold
and 2) I wipe quite properly.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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saben
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Never a problem either. And I don't think underwear helps that much from incidents I've been party to.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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saben
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My bathers have velcro. I much prefer my zips, in all honesty.
Velcro in the washing machine= all kinds of clothing getting pulled/ ruined.
Never had a problem with pubic hair, though, I guess mine is trimmed neatly enough. Only real bushes would get caught in velcro.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Unless you have access to and use a bidet or a washcloth enthusuastically and effectively after each defecation, the "proper wiping" is, I am afraid, illusory cleanliness. While a visible skidmark may not be present, faecal contamination remains, as does faecal odour.
Even underwear is insufficient to contain this properly, but it is a front line defence. With toilet paper I think studies have been done to show that faecal contaminants pass through something approaching 24 layers of soft tissue.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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I miss my Japanese "washlet" Toilet with a heated seat, inbuilt bidet all inbuilt in my own home!
I actually do use saliva to wipe myself sometimes. Dry toiletpaper kind of reminds me of using a dry towel to wipe up mud... Never had skidmarks in my underwear or jeans, nor as far as I'm aware visible reminents.
You could say I'm a little "anal" about that kind of thing.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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I should also mention that the human body also does need to be exposed to bacteria in order to ensure that it gains immunity. A cleanliness fanatacism is intuitive and incorrect because it does not allow us to build the required resistance.
We do get odd effects, though. One of our dogs used to get a regular intestinal bacterial infection in her ear. Butt licking be a companion (canine!) was folloed by ear licking. The bacteria that are useful in the gut are not useful in the ear, hence the infection.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Jedediah
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Far too much information, timmy!
That's on a par with lying sleepless in bed and contemplating Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything - "Your mattress is home to about two million microscopic mites. Indeed, if your pillow is six years old - which is apparently about the average age for a pillow - it has been estimated that one tenth of its weight will be made up of sloughed skin, living mites, dead mites and mite dung."
Some things are just better not to know.
cheers. (Have a good night's sleep).
E Te Atua tukuna mai ki au te Mauri tauki te tango i nga mea
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This thread certainly developed - from Men's Fashions to Scatology.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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It did kind of develop a life of its own. This has nothing to do with anyone but myself. When I was in college I knew some boys who didnt wear underware. They hustled to make extra spending money. Whenever I was with someone and they didnt have underware on, it just took everything out of it. I would just freez and that would be it. Of course that is my thing and no reflection on anyone else.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
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I still don't see underwear or the lack of it as a sexual thing. It's more a sartorial thing.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband stalking around with a fly swatter.
"What are you doing?" she asked.
"Hunting flies" he responded.
"Oh! Killing any?" she asked.
"Yep, 3 males, 2 females," he replied.
Intrigued, she asked, "How can you tell them apart?"
He responded, "3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone
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