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They say that the reason that church services are full of dreadful dirges and mumbled, repetitive prayers is that doing this puts the mind into neutral, semi-hypnotises you and increases the chances of a mystic experience.
I find I can get what I assume to be the same sort of effect when I'm half asleep and in the right frame of mind by closing my eyes, leaning forward and playing some basic but pleasing chords over and over again on the piano, along with a repetitive accompaniment. I might do it for 10 or 15 minutes, or until someone tells me to shut up (so I can only really do it when I'm alone or on the keyboard with headphones). I come out of it contented and my mind relatively stress-free.
(If I'm not in the right frame of mind -- most of the time I'm not -- then I just play or improvise normally.)
Does anyone else do something along the same lines -- something repetitive that relaxes you without apparently being at all productive?
If not, have you tried it, ever?
David
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meditation... and yes
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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What do people do when they meditate?
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I’ve mentioned it before but if you want to try an interesting form of meditation I would suggest kundalini yoga. One of the cool things about Kundalini is that it does not require extreme gymnastic positions, it is more technique used to harmonize body and mind. I wouldn’t worry about some of the philosophical stuff associated Hindu yoga practices, just learn about the technique, practice it, and find what ever you will.
BTW medical research has found this form of meditation very beneficial to the endocrine system
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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I've attended a hypnotherapist to try to help with weight loss. She uses monotonous music to good effect in that I relax and even snooze. Weight has not been lost, however, but several £££ have changed hands.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Aussie
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Registered: August 2006
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Deeej
Be very very careful getting into meditation. It could cause a serious shift in your beliefs. You may receive information from the universal energy or god or even worse from spirit and then you will be in a quandary as to what it means and whether you can believe it. They say prayer is when you are asking questions and meditation is listening for the answers.
It is not scientifically proven where they come from.
Aussie
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Yes, what I do is mumble the Lord's Prayer over and over while I hummmm dreadful duires and wonder what Deeej is doing. It puts me in quite a state I must say. 
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Aussie said,
>Be very very careful getting into meditation.
I only asked what it was!
>You may receive information from the universal energy or god or even worse from spirit [...] They say prayer is when you are asking questions and meditation is listening for the answers. It is not scientifically proven where they come from.
Or, to put it another way, we don't know how the brain works. That doesn't mean it's not scientific. 
David
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Aussie
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Registered: August 2006
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You didn't ask what it was, you asked
>What do people do when they meditate?
and my answer to that is not very much, but often listening to some form of relaxing music to put the brain into an altered state of conciousness.
That seems to be what you were doing.
Aussie
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I'm not convinced there's much difference. The meaning of those questions is pretty much the same.
There's nothing really mystical or spiritual about an "altered state". Sleep is an altered state. As are happiness, sadness, anger, love ... anything that differs from the default.
David
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Is a shift in beliefs such a bad thing???
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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aussie said you have to be careful about meditation in case it causes a shift in your beliefs
but is that such a bad thing?
Odi et amo: quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, set fieri sentio et excrucior
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Your words imply that I said a change in beliefs was obviously a bad thing. I didn't say anything along those lines, so wasn't sure why you asked the question. I also tend to read '???' as indignation, as if I'd said something preposterous, which is mildly insulting.
If you're just posing the question as a non-sequitur, then no, I don't see anything wrong with changing one's beliefs, provided that one doesn't force those beliefs onto other people who don't agree with them.
David
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