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timmy
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If so, why? If not, why not?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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It is as erotic as the black hole of Calcutta.....
Eroticism is mostly a matter of taste..... No pun intended.....
But what feels or looks good to one person can be as hideous to another of a different disposition.
Personally, I enjoy everything that feels good and I especially enjoy pleasing my partner as long as things do not get out of hand.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Well, it's certainly an erogenous zone for many men (both gay and straight).
Erotic as in visually a turn-on? Well, I've seen one or two that are fairly cute, but I don't think they're as common as pretty dicks ... that's probably just personal taste though.
Erotic to the touch, taste, smell ... depends on the person they form part of: for me, that's true of any body part and any of the contact senses.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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I don't believe the anus is inherently anything except a hole in the backside that served a single purpose until a horny cave man found a buddy passed out over a big log. He grunted and said, "That looks like good tight hole that can make me feel good."
He was so pleased with the way it felt, that he suggested the others in the hunting party give it a try. The anus on that day became an erotic sex object that spread from cave to cave. No longer would hunting trips seem so long. There were a few cavemen that liked to decorate the caves and never hunted. They soon started going on every hunting trip. They were always tripping over logs and slowing up the hunt, sometimes for hours. They were called, "Funny Walkers." Others thought they were a bit queer.
Very quickly, those they called "Tender Bottoms" started wearing fur capes. They made sure the furs were were long enough to cover their you-know-what's whenever bent over.
A very large fur trade began about this time, but the cave painter's and a few others continued to run around in the nude.
::-)
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The anus? No. Not in my case, certainly. A warm hole? Possibly, but evolutionarily it would be the vagina, not the anus. Taboo may make the anus erotic, but I don't think that makes it inherently so.
The buttocks, legs, stomach and so on: probably. There is an in-built positive sexual response to people who have good, healthy bodies, because they are more likely to father or mother healthy children. The same, I suppose, goes for breasts: better breasts mean better-fed children (although society's fetishisation of that portion of the anatomy contributes a great deal too), though I don't like to think too much about that.
David
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I guess I see the word "inherently" as the stumbling block here. My Mirriam-Webster says it is part of the essential character of something: belonging by nature or habit. I suppose there are those who view the anus as having an essential character of eroticism but not all of us do. I will have to concur with Marc here that eroticism is mostly a matter of taste and what feels or looks good to one can be hideous to another.
I kind of like that 'little eye' winking at me though. 
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timmy
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I was careful to choose the word "inherently". Unusual precision for me I know....
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marc
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That being the case then the answer has to be no...
There is nothing inherent about anal erotisism.
Sex is inherent.
The playing of the erotic is that part which is touch, smell, taste, presence and ambiance that enhances the game.
It is not the rule but the exception that makes each encounter unique.
And it is the uniqueness that causes that melding of two beings into one at a level above this physical plane of existance.
If any of you have ever read the Kama Sutra (and I don't mean just the sex parts) and took the time to digest what the text is telling you then you will know what I mean.
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Interesting points, Marc.
I'd certainly agree that sex is inherent.
I think that everyone has different ideas of the erotic - among straight guys, there's the well-know division between those into "tits" and those into "ass", for example ... so perhaps no body part is inherently erotic, but in a full relationship every part becomes potentially so?
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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Exactly, there no formula to follow. Erotic encounters are meant for the moment. To enjoy and exhult in the presence of someone you truly are comfortable being with. It is a celebration of what is life.
Eroticism is in the acceptance of the needs and desires of each participant in the encounter.
Notice that I did not limit the encounter to only two persons.
There might be only one.... Imagination can indeed be a powerful partner.
Or multiple participants....
Every moment needs to be willingly accepted and every touch needs to be delivered with care as well as accepted with alacrity.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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If, as we seem to agree, an anus is not inherently erotic, what is it about it that makes homosexual men often but not always either wish (seemingly instinctively) to penetrate one with their penis or be penetrated by another's penis.
I say "seemingly instinctively" based on a sample of one, me. At one point in my life my anus was for shit. The "next day" the faecal element was "suddenly" irrelevant and I wanted to use it for sex.
How did the transition from a muscular and pretty much never seen orifice to a small object of desire happen?
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Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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My experience is probably no help on this - I've know from as young as I can remember that the anus was a pleasure zone! Dammit, Freud postulated an "anal" phase before the "genital" one - although this is largely discredited as a model of psychosexual development, it certainly points to young kids taking an interest in this area!
Taking a crap is fun. It feels good. Wiping and rubbing the external area feels good. The only reason that my masturbatory fantasies didn't include anal penetration until my teens was that I felt that admitting an interest in this was tantamout to admitting to myself that I was gay .. the idea would flash into my mind and I'd firmly tell myself not to think of it! (actually, I understand lots of straight guys enjoy a finger or a toy up there from their girlfriends). So I've always understood about doing things to / inside the anus to make myself / my partner feel good.
It did take me quite a long time to find another person's anus attractive - but that's probably because I'm a catcher by nature rather than a pitcher. Anyway, that particular transition was part of the whole "fall desperately in love and explore every part of each other in every possible way" thing in my early 20s.
I rather think this is one of those areas of experience where we are all interestingly different!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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I think that as soon as we discover that sex feels good then anything we can relate to a sexual act takes on a new meaning. When you learned (heard, read?) that the anus could be put to sexual use then your imagination took over. You may have even discovered that touching your own anus during masturbation heightened your sexual feelings. Perhaps touching turned to insertion (finger or object) and you found out what prostate stimulation was all about.
Until I saw that youtube episode about the use of bananas for masturbation, I had an entirely different concept about the purpose of bananas. It can be more than just a food. And the anus can be more than just an orifice for elimination.
Is it getting hot in here or is it just me? 
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timmy
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To qualify that, I did know that homosexual men had anal sex. I knew it when I was 11 or so. But I never equated that with anything that remotely interested me. Poop smells.
This is not "about me" however. I am just using me as a sample of one here and I'm very interested in the other samples of one and their thoughts.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Certainly a good start.....
When you feel up to the chalenge think corn on the cob....
Brings a whole new dimension to the mystery of mysteries....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Aussie
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I suppose it means you have to butter the corn twice then.
Aussie
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Might just as well put it in from that end ... the stuff doesn't digest anyway! ::-)
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timmy
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Did we (I) learn to find it erotic? Is it that it was hidden and thus was erotic?
I saw other kids's anuses when I was a kid. It was, without exception, interesting but not erotic.
So what changed?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I never thought of the anus as being erotic. Now a really nice butt is a turn on but not the anus itself. Once it is touched it becomes a place of pleasure and I think that is different than erotic.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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Marc wrote:
> At the point where the anus becomes touched for the purpose of gaining a little thrill or pleasure it crosses the line from poop-chute to the zone erogenous.
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> When it becomes a playland rather than a dumping field.
Totally agree with that, Marc - and for me, there never was a period when it wasn't an area of pleasure!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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marc
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The difference is in the quality of that touch.....;-D
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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.... I think Uncle Jim hit the nail on the head (or the penis up the anus, if you want to be pedantic) in suggesting that anal intercourse began as some sort of logical substitution.
In my teens and twenties I waa always an enthusiast for oral rather than anal intercourse, though I'd be flexible if my current partner was into anal. Given a choice, I was a top rather than a bottom, but neither position held any strong appeal.
However, one of my longer-term partners was a bottom, and he especially liked to be rimmed. I found the idea repulsive, but I loved him, so I complied - and suddenly I was hooked, and that became (by far) my favourite sexual activity. I still don't understand why, but my experience bears out the views already expressed that the eroticism is not inherent, but based upon experience or imagination.
Nice, though!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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