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A husband and wife in New Zealand wanted to name their new born son "4real". a judge with good since blocked them using the name. This is just uncaring parents who want to do nothing but make the kids life misserable.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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saben
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What's in a name?
How much authority does a parent have over their children? And why should a judge be able to overthrow that decision. If all parents have a right to name their children why should that right be taken away?
I am called "Shem". Never met another in my life. And I'm glad. My name, in part, did help shape me as an individual. There were 5 "Will"s in my grade in High School. All of them boring football jocks.
Maybe 4real would have grown up to be somebody, but now that he has "just another name" he is going to be "just another person".
Usually New Zealand is very liberal about civil rights. But this judge, in my opinion, overstepped the mark, as good intentioned as it may have been.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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Your name is a name.
Have you ever heard of Biafra?
Auberon Waugh named in 1968 his newborn son "Biafra Waugh" to commemorate the Biafra war.
Labelling a child for a purpose other than love is an abuse. Imagine calling your child "Faggot" or "Shithead" because you were in that kind of mood at the time.
I still think the singer "Deniece Williams" has a brother "Denephew".
Then you have th eignorant parent who simply cannot spell the name, making sure their child has to correct the teacher who insists they are right. My wife has so many different spellings of names sounding like "Lee Anne" in her class that she gets very confused.
David Bowie named his son "Zowie". Good grief.
In the majority of cases the forename is a religion dictated name. Not for nothing in a christian religion is it known as a christian name.
"Hi, my name is 'Thisisgreathash Simpson'" Great. That scars a kid for life.
Now I also recognise that "Wendy" was a name made up by J M Barrie, and that "Shula" is a name made up by the writers of the radio soap "The Archers", and I am not wholly sure about either. But at least each is pleasant.
A name is the thing you either identify with or hate throughout your life. I hate mine, and mine is normal.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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The thing is, in most countries a legal name change is not only possible, but quite easy. If the parents are trusted as parents they should be able to name their own child- if they are really awful parents, then remove the child from their custody.
My mum used to ask me, at age 9 if she married if I wanted to take her husband's last name or keep hers.
Kids will soon decide if they want to keep their name, or if it's something they want to change. They may not be able to change it until 18, but I really don't think they would be "scarred for life".
Names are never "proper names" when they are used that way the first time- yet as they are used, new styles and types of names become commonplace and become "names". I knew a family that had 2 daughters- "Lori" and "Chevy", now they aren't names, they are types of vehicles- but now they are names.
Overall, though, I do think the parents were nuts calling their child 4real. But I don't think that a judge should have the right to over-rule the decision of the parents. It's not a matter of what I think is right, or the judge thinks is right. It's more to do with the scope of the law.
In Japan, the name has to be approved by the government, and there is a limited number of names that will be recognised- all of which have to include kanji from a list of about 2000. It gives some scope, yet it's so restrictive. A foreigner obtaining Japanese citizen has to change his/ her name to a Japanese name that meets the approved criteria.
I just don't think a government should have such power over naming.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy wrote:
Now I also recognise that "Wendy" was a name made up by J M Barrie, and that "Shula" is a name made up by the writers of the radio soap "The Archers", and I am not wholly sure about either. But at least each is pleasant.
Timmy, Shula is a very common Israeli name for a girl. It's the familiar form of Shulamit. I would imagine that there are hundreds of thousands of Shulas in Israel.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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It as declared as an invention by the programme, though 
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Kids cannot change their names until the age of majority. Until then they are stuck with them. Once of age to enter into a legal name change everything is already in their name.
You are arguing that parents can name their child "Fuckwit and be allowed to do so, formally.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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saben
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As a legal name, yes they should be able to. They're the ones that're going to have to tell people, write it on forms, etc. It's not compulsory for a child to call themselves by their legal name, after all. I'm sure a child called "fuckwit" would probably go by their middle name, or by another name while at school, etc.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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timmy
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If that child has a middle name, of course. This is not as simple a situation as you are implying.
"Fuckwit Smith" was registered by that name at birth, enrolled in school with that name, and has a passport with that name. Her meidical records are filed with it. While, later, she can change it, she is stuck with it while she is the responsibility of her parents. She is only seven years old, and has a low self image because of her name. There is no middle name, and she is a shy child - hardly surprising when her name is so alarming.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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I know of two sets of siblings....
one set of boys....... Leomnjelo and Orangejelo Lemon Jello and Orange Jello
The second two.... S'phylis and G'noreah Rade Syphilis and Gonorhea there... the mother read the words in the doctoes office and liked how thay sounded.....
I bet these girls have a wonderful time trying to date.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Shem, hummmmmm, that is actually a very nice name. Im sure everyone is aware that Shem was one of Noah's sons and a priest of the "Most High God". I have had the pleasure of meeting several students named Shem.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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And, of course, the adjectival derivative of the biblical name Shem in English is "Semite".
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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saben
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I totally disagree with parents naming their children such stupid things.
But I totally agree with their right to be able to do so.
I mean, on the one hand I'd like everyone with an IQ under 100 lined up and shot, or at the very least have them barred from voting in elections. But for as long as we continue having civil rights, I think that it is important to uphold those rights.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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