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This is just a side note and doesnt mean anything important. If anyone has ever wondered who Malkesidek in the bible was, well he met Abraham after he came back from defeating the 10 kings, Abraham was blessed by Malkesidek, even tho Abraham was the most loved of God. You have to be of a higher position to bless someone. Malkesidek was Shem, Noah's son, the name Malkesidek means "King of Rightousness" and he was the priest of the most HIgh God and father of all priest. Christ could not claim his priesthood thru Levi, but could claim it thru Shem.
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So christ was a priest?
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Christ is both a priest and a king. He derives his kingship thru David. He was not of the tribe of Levi so couldnt claim his priesthood thru them, but he did claim it thru the authority of Malchesidek, {the father of all priest}.
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Malchesidek, was also from the "City of Peace" Salem
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Whoa, Roger. Let's leave religion and theology out of this for a moment and concentrate on what we can know about Malchizedek from scholarly biblical research.
According to the Hebrew (and what Christiams call the Old Testament was written in Hebrew) Melchizedek was a king dedicated to "El Elyon". This may be rendered as "God Most High", but it was also the title of the supreme Canaanite deity, the father of Baal: El, Most High.
Salem was also the name of a Canaanite deity (another of El's sons) and the original meaning of "Jeru-Salem" was a "[holy] obelisque in honour of Salem".
So, according to biblical research Melchizedek was a Canaanite who worshipped the god El and he was priest-king of Canaanite Jerusalem.
The things we get into in this forum!
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Shem was the father of several nations, including the Hebrews. El was a common word for God or Lord. There are other books besides the bible.
Like I said its nothing important and yeh we can get into some silly stuff here.
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timmy
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So, help me out here.
Shem and Mrs Shem only had themselves and the rest of the Noah clan to breed with. The gene pool must have been very shallow under those restricted circumstances. Incest ruled, methinks.
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Actually there is a lot more to do with the story of the flood and Noah. Yes if you just went by the bible the gene pool would have been severly limited. Incest seems to have been a thing in the bible. Who did Cain marry? Lots daughters bedded with him and bore children, etc. etc. You kind of have to expand your reading.
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But "the Bible is the literal Truth" with a capital T. I know this because the callers at my door tell me so. Thus, Adam and Eve (identical genes through cloning, but a small variation to make on female) started a very shallow gene pool, and the Noahs were the only family saved.
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Ah, but then there are the other texts which predate the Hebrew and cover creation and the flood etc. some recount more than just one family being saved. To make creation sound a bit better. Cain went into the land of Nod and there took a wife from amoung the people who lived there.
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Roger, what is the date of the Hebrew creation story and who wrote it? Ditto the babylonian creation story and the Egyptian one? Let's throw in the Canaanite creation story as well. When we have the facts we can compare the stories.
J F R
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Ah, but "the Bible is inerrant" and thus the other texts are wrong. Where did the Land of Nod come from? Did Big G create that too? Not in genesis, he didn't!
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If I remember the oldest written Hebrew text is around 5000 years ago. The oldest is the tablets of Shumer (shiner in the bible) and they are about 6000 years old and include the Epic of Gilgamish.
I havent lectured a class in 5 years so im pretty rusty.
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Nod is in Genisis. Read the part after God marks Cain.
Reading Genisis you will notice there are two creations of man.
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I think the key words here are "story"..... which is just what they always were.
Stories designed to promote the masses to have something to believe in when there was so little for them to otherwise occupy their time.
Today however, in our time of enlightment, education, indeed individual thought the need for stories has been diluted.
Perhaps it is time to put the old "stories" to bed and face a bit of reality.
Religion is fast loosing its lusture of the past... now we see more and more of the tarnish every day.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Jesus is a great character. I can really relate to what he's trying to achieve. It'd be great if people could be more like Jesus.
But this Youtube video pretty much sums up my belief in the miracles Jesus performed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiatGbaCxE0
I mean, there was probably a King Arthur. But I don't think he really received a magical sword called Excalibur, nor did he pull a sword from a stone and anvil that no-one else could. But I do relate to the character, I think it'd be great if more people could be like King Arthur.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Roger wrote:
If I remember the oldest written Hebrew text is around 5000 years ago. The oldest is the tablets of Shumer (shiner in the bible) and they are about 6000 years old and include the Epic of Gilgamish.
It is generally assumed in academic circles that the 2nd creation story in the bible (Genesis 2-4) was written by "J" who lived in the 9th century BCE (i.e. about 2800 years ago). It is also assumed that the 1st creation story (Genesis 1) was written by "P" who lived in the 7th century BCE (or according to an inceasingly minority opinion as late as the 6th century BCE) - about 2600 years ago.
The Akkadian story of Gilgamesh (which contains a Noah-like episode) is certainly around 4000 years old, but the oldest textual version that we have comes from the library of king Asshurbanipal (6th century BCE).
The Babylonian creation story is called "Enuma Elish" ("When First On High') and is even later. I shall try to see during the day whether there are any English translations of these texts available online so that those interested can make their own comparisons and judgements.
If you are really interested in how the Old Testament came into being according to modern scholarship I can heartily recommend the book "Who Wrote The Bible?" by (Professor) Richard Elliott Friedman.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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By all means read as much as you can from as many sources as you can, however, if the authors name doesnt have a PhdTh after it read it with a big questionmark. Your local university library has dusty old books and essays that are authorative and not slanted to a certain dogma.
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