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Botheration.  [message #43848] Mon, 09 July 2007 13:25 Go to next message
Deeej is currently offline  Deeej

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Ignore me.  [message #43849 is a reply to message #43848] Mon, 09 July 2007 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just a mild personal upset. David
Re: Ignore me.  [message #43850 is a reply to message #43849] Mon, 09 July 2007 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Botheration.  [message #43855 is a reply to message #43848] Mon, 09 July 2007 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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82 applications for a single low-paid position ...  [message #43857 is a reply to message #43848] Mon, 09 July 2007 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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... making tea at a not-terribly-exciting production company in Soho ...

... in the 10 hours since the position was posted.

What hope have I?

Sad
Re: 82 applications for a single low-paid position ...  [message #43858 is a reply to message #43857] Mon, 09 July 2007 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used to get anything up to a couple of hundred applications for part-time "starter jobs" in theatre. Most of them were from people with bags of enthusiasm, no idea of the very demanding nature of the job, no background or skills or training of any use, and no experience of knowing when it was appropriate to use their own initiative. The very few excellent candidates stood out.

I suspect that film is not that dissimilar ... I think it would be wrong for you to see yourself as in competition with the 82-plus, but rather as being in competition with a very much smaller number of highly-qualified and appropriate people. And you do have both experience and formal training (and a first-class degree), as well as a totally engaging enthusiasm for film!

I'd venture to suggest that you are at least as good as anyone else applying.

Nick



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Re: 82 applications for a single low-paid position ...  [message #43859 is a reply to message #43857] Mon, 09 July 2007 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Compete on your merits, which are huge. At least 70 of the applicants are tyre kickers.



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Re: 82 applications for a single low-paid position ...  [message #43860 is a reply to message #43859] Mon, 09 July 2007 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That was what I thought. But another application I was very hopeful over -- and one that would have been the ideal position to start out in for someone with my interests -- has just come to nothing at all. They did not invite me to interview, nor bother to tell me that they weren't interested. This was an industry-sponsored training scheme, there were 16 places available and I was of no interest for any of them.

When an application is nothing but a few ticked boxes and half a dozen lines of personal statement, what chance has the employer of making the right decision?

This is assuming that the right decision is to employ me, of course.

David

[Updated on: Mon, 09 July 2007 22:51]

I'll sleep on it. There will be other opportunities.  [message #43861 is a reply to message #43860] Mon, 09 July 2007 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: 82 applications for a single low-paid position ...  [message #43862 is a reply to message #43860] Tue, 10 July 2007 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing prevents you from calling to ask for advice if rejected. Also, whena job is advertised, always call to learn more while applying, tailor the application to what you learn and ask them to look out for your application



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Re: I'll sleep on it. There will be other opportunities.  [message #43865 is a reply to message #43861] Tue, 10 July 2007 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it's any consolation, I am in a period of unemployment as well and am suffering from many of the same issues. There's nothing quite as disheartening as spending a long time preparing an application for a job that is perfect for you and which you know you'll be good at and then for them not to even bother contacting you afterwards.

I've actually been to several interviews where they have asked me to write reports for submission on the day, deliver presentations and so on - maybe ten or fifteen hours work - and then they haven't even had the courtesy to get in touch to say "sorry."

The key to dealing with it is to not invest anything emotionally in a particular job. You see it advertised, you apply, and if you hear nothing you make a clean break and move on to the next post like the professional you are. It's easier said than done, but it's the only way. Don't imagine yourself in that job, don't pick out your new accommodation or new company car, and certainly don't mentally spend your first pay cheque: it only leads to heartbreak.



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Re: I'll sleep on it. There will be other opportunities.  [message #43873 is a reply to message #43865] Wed, 11 July 2007 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The one I never heard from was a training position with an industry body; the sort of thing that everyone assumed I would have a decent shot at. There were several of these positions and I'd just got a first at university (plus I have a not insignificant amount of relevant work experience).

I have a suspicion that there are two things that would have improved my chances of getting an interview:

i. knowing someone in the organisation (who would have looked out for my application),
and
ii. being a member of an ethnic minority or female (apparently they are on a minority recruiting drive at the moment).

Perhaps I should have put 'Irish' rather than 'British' on my application as my ethnic origin. I don't sound Irish, but my mother's parents were, so I suppose I might qualify as Anglo-Irish.

Ah, well. Thank you, Zambezi.

David
Re: I'll sleep on it. There will be other opportunities.  [message #43875 is a reply to message #43873] Wed, 11 July 2007 13:42 Go to previous message
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I often indicate that I am a mixed-raced bisexual Buddhist.

It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.



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