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i think i just found someone and actually lives close he said he was looking for some one like me and hed love to talk if i wanted to...oh and hes got a freakin gorgeos body and hes a bit older ;-D
What A Wonderful catariciture of intamacy,
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nothin wrong with an older guy. I am seeing a donovan whos 28 and i am 20. but i am going nutts tho, this whole dating a guy thing is new to me..
well make sure u meet him some where public like a starbuks and let someone know where u r going. and be safe.
and do tell more about him, my reason y is i am just noisy... so 
J
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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haha okay ill keep ya posted hes a rock climber wich is why he moved here, and maby why he looks like he was chizled out of rock him self =), wow we have the same age diffrences =D
What A Wonderful catariciture of intamacy,
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ooOOoo do u have aim... i wanna know more
J
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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i have hot mail but it still works with aim theaffroezebra@hotmail.com yeah its realy old i need a new one
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nope have to logon to msn..... jason_m_suarez@msn.com
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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btw it says ur off line
So say what you want
(You know I'm wasting all my time)
You've gotta mean it when you say what you want
(You're only safe when you're alone)
And everybody's on your mind
Saying anything to get you by
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Ah, the Rocky Mountains... a climbers paradise. I just wanna say to take things slow. With the age difference he is probably experienced. Don't let yourself be talked into anything you don't feel you are ready to handle yet. And don't just jump into things because you are afraid he will lose interest in you if you don't. If he is attracted to you as a friend and as a person he will respect that. Otherwise he has just one thing in mind with you and... while that in itself isn't bad... it isn't the basis for a relationship. Try to establish some boundaries right from the get go.
Just an old farts opinion. I'm on AIM at callmeepauly if ya wanna chat.
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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Actually, with the age difference it is totaly not appropriate.
If this better than 21 year old person persues you he is little better than a pedophyle.
It is a matter of law and the law sets the standards.
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Although I agree this could be inappropriate and in violation of the law. Comparing a Gay guy to a pedophile is wrong, condescending, and in-step with the religous right. Please remember most pedophiles are Hetros.
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marc
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Would chicken hawk be more appropriate a description?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Anyone over the age 18 who seduces anyone under 18 is in violation of the law in the majority of the states of this country.
A chicken hawk;
An offensive term: an offensive term for an older man who seeks young men as sexual partners ( slang )
Sounds like say Senator Foley!
I don't know the age differences in this post, others who have responded voiced caution, maybe they know Jinjay? If his "freind" is under 18? and he is 16? I see someone that's 20 going with a 28......I would see nothing wrong there!
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Chickenhawk is much better, IMO, because it's more specific.
'Paedophile' has a huge amount of stigma yet means something slightly different to everyone. It can refer to attraction, or to behaviour, and the age under which it might be applied varies all over the place depending on whether you rely on the clinical definition or age of consent laws.
I'm not sure I agree with Benji that gay and paedophile are mutually exclusive (it depends so much on the definition, and there are older gay men who target under-age boys), but he is certainly right that fundamentalists may wish to muddy the waters, and tar everyone with the same brush.
David
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The implication of calling someone a 'chickenhawk' is that the boys are under-age, or at least almost under-age. It doesn't necessarily mean the behaviour is illegal, but it does imply 'predatory'. That's how I understand it, anyway.
David
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PEDOPHILE:
An adult with sexual desire for children: an adult who has sexual desire for children or who has committed the crime of sex with a child.
Is Michael Jackson gay? I don't think so, but he definitely desires children
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Ah, but how do you define 'child'? Below puberty (the clinical definition), below the age of consent, or below the age of majority? People use all three, often indiscriminately -- and in the UK, those ages will vary from 12 or 13 to 16 (age of consent) to 18 (age of majority). In the UK, it would be entirely inappropriate to call a man who is attracted to boys and men over the age of consent a paedophile, even though some of them may not yet have reached the age of majority.
'Gay' can either mean 'self-identifies as gay' or simply 'homosexual'. A man attracted to male children (of any age) is gay by the latter definition.
David
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In general, this subject has a way of bringing rage to me. Rage that would cause me to stop at nothing to see to it that a chicken hawk, preditor, pedophyle, over age person persuing an underage person is summarily dealt with to the fullest extent of the law.
Anyone that advocated the miscreants must be predisposed to the same tastes as far as i can see.
They should be watched very closely.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Take a pill dude! This started because you called a gay guy a pedophile, I felt a bit of outrage to be classified with those "likes". Now instead of clarity you have chosen a broader paint brush! Don't know what happened to you, but get help if you have issues!
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I am not sure how old Jinjay-kun is, so I don't know whether this conversation is even relevant. If he is 16, or whatever the age of consent is where he is, then I am not excessively concerned provided that he stays safe and that the behaviour of the other party is entirely genuine and non-coercive.
I am sure there is no-one here who would not unreservedly condemn predatory behaviour by someone above the age of consent aimed at someone below it. Who is 'advocating the miscreants'? Discussing terminology has nothing to do with that at all.
In this situation, the best thing to do is to establish the facts and give advice according to those, rather than to make assumptions which may be totally false.
David
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Good luck, Jinjay-kun.
I hope you don't mind me asking, but, as you can see, the question has arisen elsewhere in the thread -- how old are you? And how much older is the other chap? If you're young, then it's really important to bear in mind your own safety and where you hope the relationship to go.
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Thank-you nobody was 'advocating the miscreants', just didn't want to be labeled with them, as for the definitions, they were simply there for distinction. It didn't work apparently!!
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Which pill exactly are you prescribing?
If its the one that is going to get me to bat for the team that chases after young boys I'd rather pass.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I reread your replies.
It sure seems to me that you are sitting in their cheering section.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I asked my Dad, without being specific as to why I wanted to know, and learned a few things.
First off, a pedophile is a person, male or female, whose main sexual attraction is towards PRE-PUBESCENT children. The pedophile is not particularly interested in the sex of the victim, but the issue is one of control and domination of the victim leading to sexual gratification. Some pedophiles do have a sex preference in selecting victims.
Secondly, there is a growing body of opinion in the medical profession that there is a "sub-set" of persons attracted to teenagers who exhibit the secondary sex characteristics of puberty, and the descriptive term for such person is Ephebeophile, coming from the Greek word ephebe, meaning young man, or covered in down. Ephebeophiles are not neccessarily pedophiles, and not neccessarially interested in domination or control, although those motives do come into play in some cases. Ephebophiles tend to be gay men interested in younger males.
My Dad also said the older persons who are attracted to younger boys and girls are doing so generally from feelings of low self esteem and a sense of their own lives being out of control. young people are easily manipuylated and controlled and thus are the targets. Pedophiles and ephebeophiles feel they can't compete at their own ages.
I would have asked more questions but he was getting curious, and asked if I was asking because me or one of my friends had been approached by an older person.
My opinion? There must be millions of pedophile and ephebeophile gay men out there looking through "Barely Legal Gay Teen Boys" and "Gay Teen Studio" and sites like those. This whole thing of young male models shaving all the way down to their pubes, and sometimes even shaving everything is solely to cater to the perves who want to look at kids. I don't blame the promoters of the sites, because nobody is paying to look at "Middle Aged Balding Dudes with Beer Guts." In the gay culture, what I've seen of it, there's just way too much weight put on being young, anorexic, shaved, pierced everywhere, and beautiful.
Shaving is popular with some guys because of the sagging fashions. As sagging goes out of fashion guys will let their hair grow again. My girlfriend thinks shaving treasure trails is stupid, and me and my two best buds don't shave. I think treasure trails on guys, and underarm hair, are totally hot.
In wrestling we compete at our own weights. Guys who are older should compete at their own levels, and let we younger guys find our way with boys our own age. I'm seventeen, and I just can't imagine having sex with a guy outside of college age, max. Say 23 or 24. I have noticed that as I get older, my attraction age advances too. Fourteen year olds with no pubes or leg hair do nothing for me, but dudes my age or a year or two older, are mega turn ons. I guess this atttraction will continue to age as I age, which I think is the normal way it should be.
Another of my opinions is that younger teen guys who let themselves get hooked up with older dudes are looking for something more than sex. A father figure to give them unconditional love maybe, or just an older male role model.
I know there's lots of sites with stories of older-younger "romances" and hot sex. This is all wishful thinking on the part of the older dudes who write the stuff. Trust me on this one dudes, no normal and mentally stable teen guy is gonna sleep with a guy much older than him. I wouldn't anyway. And no guy is gonna say "Oh, Daddy, fuck my boy pussy." Barf. God, we have enough to worry about just deciding to try something with guys our own age, we don't need all the drama from the older crowd.
This is gonna sound nasty, and hard hearted. I'm totally sorry you older dudes grew up and went through your teen years in less tolerant times. I'm sorry you had to repress your feelings, and maybe even got married and everything else. But you can't go back and recapture the thrills of your lost youth by sleeping with teenagers or college guys.
Just the opinions of a guy from the Tidewater.
jon
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Why does this server double post things?
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God sorry i posted,i'm fine hes a sweet guy and only talked to me because i said i wasn't looking for a sexual relation! hell Hes a good guy and he just moved here i don't want to have to explaine myself to all of you right now!
everyone instantly assumes hes a horrible sexual preditor well lay off becuase hes not and if this is what is going to happen when i post then i'll just stop, thanks jay for being supportive earlier i'll talk to you on i.m. but he wont be a subject up here again.
What A Wonderful catariciture of intamacy,
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I understand you, jinjay. This is why I have cut down my postings, because threads get out of hand and go in a direction they were never intended to go with board-predators ready to attack every small point.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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This did get rather out of hand rather suddenly.
Stepping back from the discussion somewhat, it seems to me that any of us who is over whatever the local age of consent is who talks to, befriends and even feels affection towards a younger gentleman who is below that age might be accused of hawkish desires.
Indeed we may have them inside our heads.
It is how we express ourselves and how we act towards the younger person that is important.
Can we get a sense of proportion back into this type of topic, please?
I'm well aware that the law is the law. I'm well aware that we all need reminding, younger and older, that certain behaviour is either illegal or inappropriate. But ask yourselves: How can we help or be helped if we are always going to fall at the hurdle of "I can't talk to him because he is too young"?
When I was 13 I would have valued the affection of an older gay man who understood my feelings and my hurt. But there was no way he would ever have got into my pants. Young people are not stupid that way.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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This "Board predators" term. I think we need that expanded. It disturbs me. Can we do it in a gentlemanly fashion and in another, new thread, please.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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thank you, everyone seems to be disagreeging with me and they have no idea whats going on so thanks for understanding
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I think "everyone" wanted to reassure themselves that the law was the law and they were within in. It looks to me as though your needs got lost and trampled in the righteousness.
Befriend your older friend with a good heart. And be very clear about your own boundaries. I know you are aware that there are predators out there. And there are good people, too. Simply keep your eyes open and enjoy the friendship on your own terms.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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Whitewaterkid wrote:
> This is gonna sound nasty, and hard hearted. I'm totally sorry you older dudes grew up and went through your teen years in less tolerant times. I'm sorry you had to repress your feelings, and maybe even got married and everything else. But you can't go back and recapture the thrills of your lost youth by sleeping with teenagers or college guys.
It doesn't sound nasty or hard hearted at all. And, in general, teenagers and college guys, unless renting, will not sleep with an older guy. Why would they want to?
The thing is, very few older people want to have sex with older people. Wrinklies are not a huge turn on, generally. We are programmed, whether it is socially acceptable or not, to want to have sex with nubile, young people. But the young person is programmed that way, too.
There will now be a flood of posts saying "Gosh, I love a big belly and saggy arm muscles." Heigh ho.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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I wonder of this justifies the enjoyment of pornography, gay or str8, where the protagonists are of legal age and youthful appearance. It seems to me that it might well do so.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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BOARD-PREDITOR???????????????????????
Sir, if you are looking for a war you've found it ! ! !
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Another thread, please, or ideally off the board and by email
And, for the record, I find the term wholly distasteful and disturbing, hence my post about a new thread.
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marc
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If my convictions are deemed preditory i think it is certainly time I disassociate myself from this place.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I care about your convictions, but in another thread.
I will delete in a wholly unbiased manner the posts of anyone in this (exact) sub-thread related to this topic that are timestamped after this one.
I will consider others for deletion.
[Updated on: Sat, 08 September 2007 08:39]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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you hit the nail on the head, certain posters just want to read stuff into your post that just is not there. why i dont know all we do is give an opinion, but some people always want to be wright and try to make other posters withdraw.
It needs to be nipped in the bud and some people need to let others have a voice.
life is to enjoy.
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I can see that 'board-predators' might be misunderstood. I used the term for a couple of reasons, mainly to refer to those contributors who wait for something to be said and then gain pleasure by immediately attacking it, however trivial or important. That puts me into 'why bother' mode. In my sense of the term it in no way refers to sexual predation. The second reason was to hint at the correct spelling of 'predator' without attacking those who had misspelt it.
Hugs
N
PS - apologies. I overlooked the 'new thread' bit. I am due to have new spectacles in the next ten days or so.
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I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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if nothing else this has shown me i cant be as or relativly as open to people, there are those of you who only read my words, not my meaning i had intended and after this there are some individuals who i might find it hard to talk to if i can
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