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My first reaction is stereotyping mainly because so many gay guys are, for want of a better expression, 'str8 acting'. It's the 'acting' part of the expression I find inaccurate.
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marc
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And they are interesting how?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Apart from those who queen and flame and are camp, aren't "gay guys" just guys? If so, why would we wiggle? and why would we "observe women" to learn to walk like a woman is alleged to walk?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Stereotyping? Hell, one does not need to go looking at cartoon figures walking to stereotype gays.
It's easy enough to do right here......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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I didn't want to post them in a "commenting" sort of way. Perhaps I should have said "What about this load of old bollocks, then?"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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timmy wrote:
> I didn't want to post them in a "commenting" sort of way. Perhaps I should have said "What about this load of old bollocks, then?"
Oh, but by saying they are interesting.... isn't that a comment of sorts?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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It meant "I was interested to read them"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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They did it with only eight people. Two gay men, two gay women, two straight men, two straight women. It is impossible to extrapolate the behaviour of millions of people from only two of each type.
How did they choose the candidates? How did they know they were gay or straight? What was their age? Their background? It may well be that people who would take part in a study on the basis of their orientation are predisposed to be a bit more flamboyant, even feminine. But even that is not necessary with so few people -- they might have picked people with particular traits purely by chance. Did they take this into account? Was it a double blind study? Doesn't sound like it.
In other words, it's almost certainly meaningless because its scope was so tiny. I would ignore it.
David
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You don't do a scientific study with any meaningful results based on just eight volunteer subjects. Just as there are gay men with effeminate mannerisms, there are gay men without them as well. What sort of statistical sampling can you get from just two gay men? Perhaps they were able to identify them and enlist them in their study because they were in drag!
Anyway, I would like to see this research conducted with a greater number of volunteers because I would be interested in more meaningful results. Perhaps it would help me with my own deficient "gaydar".
Crap... now I'm going to be wondering if my hips are swinging when I walk. It's hard enough to chew gum and walk at the same time! I'll be banging into stuff for sure. 
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Tim said,
>aren't "gay guys" just guys? If so, why would we wiggle? and why would we "observe women" to learn to walk like a woman is alleged to walk?
There's no need for a reason if the phenomenon doesn't exist. Some might, but many or most don't.
I would hazard a guess that the researchers encouraged -- subtly, by giving the impression that that is what they were looking for -- their tiny number of participants to "camp it up" or at least behave according to stereotypes for the experiment. Perhaps they actually went out of their way to find people predisposed to do that.
David
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It really is absurd that they only studied 8 people. I can't believe they passed the study off the way they did.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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http://nymag.com/news/features/33520/ has some interesting thoughts as well.
It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all
~Phil Ochs "I Aint Marching Anymore"
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Yes. Very lengthy and not conclusive, but certainly it makes interesting reading. And I'm glad that it was written by a gay man, as it means he's particularly aware of the potential prejudices in the research.
I'm not sure that I agree that my sexuality is part of my 'soul' (I was quite happy before I was ever aware of it, and I don't think it directs very many of my day-to-day activities), but I'll let that pass as it makes a nice soundbite to end on. 
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Very interesting article. I wasn't aware that there was this much research along these lines. Some of the results do seem to be along the lines of phrenology though, as the article points out. But the thing that most intrigued me is that a psychologist, utilizing this data, would come to this conclusion:
>“We’re reaching a consensus on a broad question,” says J. Michael Bailey, a psychologist at Northwestern University. Is sexual orientation “something we’re born with or something we largely acquire through social experience? The answer is clear. It’s something we’re born with.”
I don't think all the data is in yet to reach such a conclusion, although it's my personal belief that it is a correct conclusion. It will be interesting to see what a few more years of research produce.
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