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Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 03:53 Go to next message
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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45155 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 04:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So the new buzz phrase (removing the word "gay") that you would hear in a high school hallway would be... "that's so same-sexual"! ::-)



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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45156 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like it, its different, and as many of you know I adore difference. I also like the fact that it makes you use a little more brain power, and demands a lot more understanding.

It kills me when all you hear these teens saying is "dude" "bru" "bud" "like" and the list is longer than I care to think. With so many fantastically emotive and expressive words in all the languages globally we end up been lazy and using **** like the above it drives me to my end.

So yes it is great to see and hear difference.

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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45157 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think we will easily lose gay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

The problem is expressed best during the Falklands conflict, when British troops referred to the islanders as "Bennies", a disparaging reference to a thick character in the appalling soap Crossroads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossroads_%28TV_series%29 Reading down to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossroads_%28TV_series%29#Characters_and_storylines Read down to the fourth paragraph and you will see the idea.

I think I don't mind, now, being called a fag. I'd prefer it to being a "Still"



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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45158 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not a "same-sexual" and i most certainly do not want to be a "both-sexual" and to even consider the thought of "Opposite-sexual" just makes my giblets curdle.

I prefer to be who I am, gay, queer, homo, .... I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a pansy or a fairy for that matter so those are moot points.

I hope the "label" gay NEVER passes into oblivion.... without the words that connect us as a social entity we are nothing more than cocksuckers in a world of breeders.

And what makes you believe that the word "gay" is not precisely what people thought when they first adopted it's usage?

Come on here.... It's a bit over the top don't you think?

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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45160 is a reply to message #45158] Thu, 20 September 2007 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok so call us, me, you, anything you want. Much of the same I could not care less either. In fact I call myself gay all the time, but that does not mean that we should not try something new.

Much the same thing as going out and purchasing the same cloths year after year. At some point you may well get board of the with the monotony of it all. Try it on, don't shun it because it is different, embrace it because it is new.

When you go buy a new pair of shoes or a new shirt, you wear it because you want to look good, feel good and maybe, just maybe you want people to notice you. So why not try it with words.

Saying that you are gay is great, but saying that you are same-sexual just seems to hold so much more life and excitement. Much like shoes and pants and shirts, some people may like it and some may not. This could be due to the idea it creates, the colour, the shape, or even the way you wear it. But still you gave it a chance and so did someone else.

If you do not like it that's fine, but give everybody a chance to try it on for size;-D



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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45161 is a reply to message #45160] Thu, 20 September 2007 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If being a "same-sexual" is what it takes to float your boat, then sail on, sail on....

I prefer to keep a confusing subject which is already looked upon with uncertainty and disdain as clear as possible. To go about, contriving new phrases that will only take the place of the old ones and add to the dictionary... will do nothing for us as a group and they most assuredly will NOT alter to how people view us.

If you want to feel better about who you are..... do some good.....

Find a cause and lend a hand.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45162 is a reply to message #45161] Thu, 20 September 2007 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So the way that some of us fight with each other, also does not help us as a group but we still manage to do that, and in doing so this most defiantly does NOT help change a view.

Lets call it for what it is, and agree to disagree.



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"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45163 is a reply to message #45162] Thu, 20 September 2007 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It seems that the word "fight" crops up whenever i voice my opinion.....

I think i should just keep my fucking mouth shut.....



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45164 is a reply to message #45163] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No Marc, don't keep your mouth shut. A little pepper is good in everything, from grits to forum discussions.

I like the same-sexual term, but it doesn't describe me at this stage of my life. Since I date a girl, and am semi-sexually active with her (everything except the Big Thing) and I have a guy on the side I am sexually active with, does that make me "both-sexual?" Or ambisexual? Or omnisexual?

"Concave or convex, it's good with either sex!"

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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45165 is a reply to message #45164] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whitewaterkid wrote:
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> I like the same-sexual term, but it doesn't describe me at this stage of my life. Since I date a girl, and am semi-sexually active with her (everything except the Big Thing) and I have a guy on the side I am sexually active with, does that make me "both-sexual?" Or ambisexual? Or omnisexual?
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> "Concave or convex, it's good with either sex!"
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> First period beckons. Joy.

Well said you like to enjoy life, the norm is experience both.

That explains is gay normal or is st8.



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icon6.gif Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45166 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your idea has a bit of merit when one considers that the black man, went from negro to black man to African American.
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45167 is a reply to message #45166] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And, here in England, we have no African Americans. That term is very local, very politically correct, and very wishy washy. American proud black men created Black Power.

American politically correct idiots created African Americans



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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45168 is a reply to message #45153] Thu, 20 September 2007 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The main thing is that we are "homo-sexual" - that is "Same sexual", the others are hetero-sexual. Bi-sexual is an adequate term.

Now the shortening of homosexual is homo, known colloqialy as "fucking homo".

I think we're there already, aren't we?

"Heigh ho. There goes a Still"

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Keep forgetting about you mates across the sea, of course the evolution of the American Black man's name came from the liberal side of the Democratic party. ???? so Whats next ????
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45172 is a reply to message #45166] Thu, 20 September 2007 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not in Africa they didnt.



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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So you see this as a full circle, come again?
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45174 is a reply to message #45158] Thu, 20 September 2007 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I agree with you, Marc. The word "gay" isn't the problem. In my own language "gay" is hardly used at all, while "homo" is.

The problem is people's negative attitudes towards minority groups and towards what's unknown to them, homosexuality and gay people in particular, using certain words to express their views. When I try to make my students abstain from using the word "homo" (or "gay"), it's not because of word itself but when used in a derogatory manner.
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45176 is a reply to message #45173] Thu, 20 September 2007 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think it never left

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"You have tachycardia."



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Sigh!! Back to the chalk board
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45181 is a reply to message #45177] Thu, 20 September 2007 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think that's a blackboard Smile



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Wise_ss!! Drawing board!
Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45189 is a reply to message #45153] Fri, 21 September 2007 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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homo-sexual (from Greek homos): same-sexual
hetero-sexual (from Greek heteros): other-sexual (= opposite-sexual)
bi-sexual (from Latin bis): twice-sexual (= both-sexual)

They're not neutral words -- they are translations of words that have been used for many decades, if not centuries.

David

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Re: Toward Gentler Appellations  [message #45200 is a reply to message #45163] Fri, 21 September 2007 05:42 Go to previous message
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Marc, That is NOT what I meant and you know it, and if you didn't well now you do. You took my words and twisted them, my comment was made in generalisation, but now I know to be more specific.

Benji, had a good point, WHAT NEXT ?



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