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Please let me know what you think  [message #45180] Thu, 20 September 2007 21:10 Go to next message
timmy

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My wife's school, like many schools, embraces good causes. They are sending to "Africa" (no region specified) items that they are collecting.

I am interested to know whether the items they are collecting will be of real use.

They are collecting.......

Toiletries



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45183 is a reply to message #45180] Thu, 20 September 2007 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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For a people that have nothing then I suppose they would value anything they received. However, minty fresh breathe may not be terribly important to someone dying of starvation. But then again, when you send food it just ends up on the black market and never seems to reach the victims. If they want to gather something meaningful, how about signatures to have the U.N. stop the atrocities being committed there? The world needs to grow a backbone.



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45184 is a reply to message #45180] Thu, 20 September 2007 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
arich is currently offline  arich

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I think almost anything that can be sent will be welcomed. In my travels in the third world one thing that amazed me was that there would almost always be a competition for the garbage we had on board ship, depending on where we docked and access to the general public.

Strangely enough one thing that was always in demand was soap for personal use, for body or cloths.

Personally I would stick with anything basic; we in the first world seldom have any real concept of just how little the majority of the rest of the world has that we take for granted.

The only thing that gives me pause about anything like this is that very little of it trickles down to the people that need it. In the case of money being sent to poor countries by first world governments over time it seems that most of that money ends up in a Swiss bank account. This seems to be the case with aid too; a war lord or an official gets their hands on a load of aid and ends up selling it and pocketing the money. In other words from what I’ve seen it’s best to put what ever is collected into the hands of an organization that has someone on the ground where ever it’s sent so there is some assurance that it will indeed get to the people that need it.



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45185 is a reply to message #45180] Thu, 20 September 2007 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
NW is currently offline  NW

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Well, there's nothing wrong as such with sending non-essentials: it's important to help people with things that they can aspire to, things that are life-enriching, activities that set us apart from non-human animals and affirm our essential shared humanity. There has been some excellent arts-based development stuff done, for example. I'm not terribly sure that I'd put cosmetics and toiletries at the top of my list, however ... I rather doubt that any of the reputable aid agencies would, either.

A word of warning. There have been several instances of goods being collected "for africa", which have gone out in boxes laden with bibles and religious tracts of a rather unpleasant and fundamentalist kind: the "aid goods" effectively being a bribe to get the recipients to listen to "missionaries".
The appalling and terrifying "Operation Christmas Child" a few years ago - the "Samaritan's Purse" project - worked largely through schools: see http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1081349,00.html for example.

I would urge that the bonafides of whatever organisation is coordinating the project that your wife's school is participating in are very thoroughly investigated!



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45192 is a reply to message #45180] Fri, 21 September 2007 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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prolly not..... although common bar soap, alchohol, peroxide, bandages, asprin, things of that nature would be greatly appreciated by the refugee camps.



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45202 is a reply to message #45192] Fri, 21 September 2007 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jack is currently offline  jack

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I would have thought old clothes would be more practical, people do need protection from the sun.

it is a case of a little of everything. no money should be given because of the political situation in some countries of Africa

My heart bleeds for these people so education is one of the important issues. .Then medical help and sexual health education, so as to control Aids etc.

sorry i have gone of the track yes a little of everything including toiletries at least they can trade them if they have little need.



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Re: Please let me know what you think  [message #45204 is a reply to message #45180] Fri, 21 September 2007 12:19 Go to previous message
Whitewaterkid is currently offline  Whitewaterkid

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I think from what I remember about the unit we had on Africa in world history that we're about fifty years now from the independence movement there, and the time when Great Britain and France and the other colonial nations pulled out. The African people are way worse off now it seems than they ever were under colonial government. Maybe Britain and France and Portugal should go back and finish the job of creating stable governments. My Dad has said that the problem with colonialism wasn't that it existed but that it didn't last long enough.

If you want a case study on African politics and government look at the progression from Southern Rhodesia to Rhodesia to the cess pool called Zimbabwe.

If I were you I would spend my money on local charities there in the United Kingdom. Here we have enough poverty to go around and we don't need to send our money ten thousand miles away. What's the old mantra? Charity begins at home?

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