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What absolute, unmitigated, arrant rubbish!
The school principal considers that hugging 'is really more appropriate for airports and for family reunions'. With such a dismal lack of understanding of the importance to children of physical contact with family and friends (this is a middle school, not a high school), is she a suitable person to be working with children?
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I can see a "no loiter" zone as a sensible answer to his hallway logjam, though
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Teaching is a hard job. Maintaining control in a class is dificult at best and when students disrupt a class by arriving late they are making an already hard job harder.
Arriving late is not fair to the teachers nor is it fair to the students that arrive on time.
If these kids wanted to hug, and leep hugging, then they had the responsibility to do it and get to class on time along with all the non-huggers.
They created the problem it's olny reasonable that they be the solution.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc said,
>If these kids wanted to hug, and leep hugging, then they had the responsibility to do it and get to class on time along with all the non-huggers.
Yes -- provided they were warned in advance, and that the hugging students can be treated as a single consolidated mass, which they never can. Those conscientious huggers who took care not to upset anyone else or be late themselves have been banned along with the rest of them.
At school it always struck me as the height of injustice when the activities of the few meant the withdrawal of a privilege for everyone. It is possibly not the most critical of human rights to be able to hug in a school corridor, but some of the most unpleasant memories of my schooldays are being punished for something that someone else did, and I object in this case for that reason.
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marc
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Each and every student is made aware of the requirement regarding getting to class on time. Each and every student is made aware of this without regard to race, religion, sex, political affilliations or yes, even orientation....
If there is a school anywhere on this planet that sees no problem with students attiving late to class I'd love to know where it is?
If you read my post you would see that it was about being in class on time....
The hugging i mentioned was purely to keep in on track with the thread......
Any other activity.... which would repetedly cause students to be late would have served equally as well....
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I'm sure there are appropriate punishments in place for handling students who are late to class. I would imagine that the punishment gets even more severe for the chronic abusers of the classroom's and instructor's time. If not, there should be. Why not let these punishments stand as the corrective measure for "whatever" should cause the student's tardiness to class? It seems rather capricious and arbitrary to punish the many for the actions of the few. The school could take this one step farther and ban "talking" amongst the students in the hallways. It would seem likely that more students are tardy from getting caught up in conversations than in hugging. Wouldn't that make for a wonderful school experience?
Classrooms are not the only learning experience in school. Learning to relate to one's peers in social interaction is also an important adjunct to one's education. What you learn in school you carry with you for a lifetime. It would be a shame if these young people were to now associate hugging with wrongness. This sounds more like mine and my parents uptight generation. And it may indeed be the real reasoning behind this new directive - hugging is inappropriate behaviour to the staunch and narrow minded.
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My simple answer to your question, Cossie, is 'no'.
If the problem is about arriving late in class, then the school should attack that problem, and convince the latecomers that it's in their own interest to arrive on time.
But this is obviously not so much about tardiness as about exchanging hugs. Fortunately, I am convinced that if our principal tried to copy this idea, he would be met with disbelief, and then with scorn, both by teachers, parents and students.
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cossie
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... I think we're at cross purposes here.
I was appalled not so much by what was done, but by the reasons (quoted in my post) which the head teacher advanced in justification.
I accept that, if the report is strictly accurate (though frankly the whole hugging thing somehow doesn't quite ring true) some administrative reaction was possibly appropriate.
I do NOT accept that someone who believes that hugging is only appropriate to airports and family reunions is psychologically suited to being responsible for the education of children.
Of course, I can only base my view on what is said in the report, and I acknowledge that it may or may not be an accurate reflection of the facts, but in the circumstances I don't thing there's much point in speculating further.
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For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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I would think that the head, a person not media trained, is more likely to have it correct than the journalist, whose role is to sell papers in order to sell advertising.
Seems to me that Dr Sharts has tried hard, and the press has misrepresented.
Of course I am not familiar with either side of the interview, but I'm basing it in probabilities. After all a ban on hugging is much more newsworthy than "Yes, we ask those who seem to like hugging between every class to move along"
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Ah, the media strikes again. They publish what makes news and can fit in the the allowed time/space. Often this results in a one-sided and distorted story, but they've earned their salary.
JimB
PS-I have the same complaint regarding politicians. Such as constantly calling for the reduction of taxes without any mention of the consequences.
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..... I don't think that the reply to Michael's approach provides any further useful information; it's typically political language.
As anyone who read my recent post on pornography will realise, my opinion of popular journalism teeters between appalling and abysmal, but I still find this affair puzzling.
Where did the reference to hugging being 'more appropriate to airports and family reunions' come from? Tabloid journalists and editors may have a cavalier attitude to the facts of a story, but they are not so inclined to attribute invented quotes, since that is much more likely to cause repercussions. And it is, of course, to that quote that I took serious exception.
But, as I've already suggested, there's something surreal about the whole story. How narrow are the school hallways, for goodness sake? I'll bet that they are around twelve feet wide, if not wider. How many kids of middle school age does it take to obstruct a twelve-foot hallway? - and don't forget that, as they are hugging, they must be close together! Why has the problem not arisen elsewhere?
Further investigation is clearly needed, but I can't seem to lay hands on my deerstalker and Meerschaum pipe. Watson, where the devil did I put my opium ....
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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