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Off the dole at last!
(Fingers crossed.)
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Actually, not that I've properly been on the dole -- more than a month later, and they still haven't sorted out the paperwork.
David
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Seems I'm having a conversation with myself. How strange.
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From Wikipedia:
>w00t, w00T or WOOT — First two express exuberance, and the last is a backronym for the term "We Own the Other Team".[1] or "Wow, lOOT".
I'm glad to see you are exuberant, David. But now curiosity is killing the cat! ???
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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Fortunately I'm a dog person. 
David
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Whoops... I posted too quickly. Congratulations! I hope you realize all your dreams... you have certainly put forth the effort.
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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You are one of the very few people I know who is pursuing his dream whatever life throws up as obstacles. This is a great start, a huge achievement, and well deserved.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Way to go David. Im so proud of you.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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Im really not sure but I think you are saying you have found a job. That is so cool dude.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Thanks, Curtis. I'll see how it goes -- a lot of work for not a lot of pay, but hopefully it's the first rung of an extremely long (multi-decade) ladder.
David
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
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You forced your way onto the ladder. Keep forcing. Miss rungs out and go ever upwards. This is simply a way of getting contacts.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Congratulations, David!
You deserve it so well, and I wish that all your dreams will come true!
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marc
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And the job is?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Timmy said,
>You are one of the very few people I know who is pursuing his dream whatever life throws up as obstacles.
It does raise constant questions. Like -- should I choose the more lucrative side path or keep trying to climb the wobbly, unstable ladder? I've already encountered that one several times.
Just now I had to make a Decision. Someone rang up to ask if I wanted to interview for an IT position. This was a position for which I sent a CV in a couple of days ago. As I accepted another job yesterday, to start on Monday, I apologised and said I couldn't. However, then they emailed me to urge me to reconsider, and I telephoned, and the woman I spoke to made it pretty clear that I was the strongest candidate for the position so far, as I have both an IT and an audio-visual background, which is unusual in the television industry.
I asked for salary details; I was told they depended on the person.
Pluses: probably better paid (though "salary dependent on experience" could mean anything). More stable (office work). Working at the BBC (not for the BBC, but for a company working for the BBC). Probably less stress. I expect I could be damn good at it (even if it was very boring).
Minuses: Not a step in the right direction. It would be post-production, non-creative, IT, not camera-related.
I could get a much better idea if I went to the interview. But, since I didn't want to waste anyone's time, I decided not to.
Was I right? Was I stupid not at least to interview (even if I were likely to turn it down)?
I guess this is just the first, and probably one of the most minor, of hundreds of decisions of my career.
David
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
There are so many innuendos in that sentence, especially if you're British.
David
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
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The answer depends upon your dreams and ambitions. You have the short term luxury of being able to take a small salary, parental support willing, but I think you would take a second job, maybe in a bar, to ensure that you follow your ambitions.
Hold the dream (and not in a Barbara Taylor Bradford way), and make yourself a success. Understand how to grab opportunities, be loyal to yourself, and move forward. This is not a dress rehearsal.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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A second job would be impossible in any part of the film industry. 9-5 is unheard of, except possibly in the most laid-back of post-production companies.
12 hours a day is common. The job I am starting next week may run from mid-morning until two in the morning, apparently. Hours are not fixed.
David
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Actually, I suspect it is film production that is particularly awful. I imagine that pre-production and post-production are better (office-based, better scheduled), but I don't really want to work in those.
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timmy
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Has no life at all |
Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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It was a metaphor for attitude
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Um, oh, I see.
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Hope it works out for you.
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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Many congratulations on getting a job in an industry you love - you have all the enthusiasm and ability to make a success of your chosen career (as long as you keep the pedantry on a short rein!). I look forward to your directorial debut in the commercial sphere.
Just two suggestions. You are aware of my past (non-creative!) connection with the industry; in my somewhat detatched experience it seemed that whilst an established creative reputation would usually ensure a steady flow of work, in the early stages WHO you know can be as important as WHAT you know. Speaking as one who generally fails to take his own advice, I nevertheless urge you to bite your tongue and at all costs avoid making enemies, however superficially.
The other suggestion relates to your reluctance to waste someone else's time by attending the IT interview. That was NOT a good idea; it's always beneficial to know what's on offer elsewhere. In pursuing your own career, I'd agree that it would be morally wrong to deliberately damage someone else's prospects - but that's not the situation here. If invited to an interview - DO IT! Do you honestly believe that if you'd been at the bottom of the pile rather than the top you would even have enjoyed the courtesy of a reply to your application? You should always act in your own best interests - otherwise you labour under a disadvantage, 'cos everyone else will do just that!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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Hey David,
Congratulations, wishing you all the best for what is to come.
I think that you have done great, I too started at the bottom of a very unstable ladder. Now I have been with the company for 2 years, been promoted twice and have never looked back.
Keep at it, work hard and never give up. And like I always say, success is getting up one more time than you have fallen down. ;-D
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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marc
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Needs to get a life! |
Registered: March 2003
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but A new Lexus doesnt hurt either...... LOL
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Cossie said,
>I look forward to your directorial debut in the commercial sphere.
Thank you -- though for the moment I'm pursuing cinematography rather than directing! Maybe I'll direct in a few decades, once I've made my name as a cinematographer. It's not uncommon for people to do that. The only problem with being a director is that you need to direct the actors -- argh!
>I nevertheless urge you to bite your tongue and at all costs avoid making enemies, however superficially.
That's what I try and do. I've worked on films in the past where half the crew have been at each other's throats, and they've been rude and offhand to me because I was junior and unpaid. It has certainly convinced me that they are not worth working with again. I tend to try to avoid upsetting people or arguing unnecessarily. This has got me work in the past -- I've been told that I'm a good person to work with because I "don't have an ego" -- though I appreciate that's not always a good thing if it means I don't ask for something that might benefit me in case it offends someone else!
>If invited to an interview - DO IT!
Oddly enough, having heard almost nothing for a few days, I'm suddenly beseiged by people asking me to interview. Bearing your words in mind, I've accepted an appointment late next week, even though I'll hopefully be working then. If it's clear the new thing's not working out after a couple of days, it's something to fall back on. Otherwise I'll call them early next week and say, "Sorry, I've been offered a job doing something else". Which is perfectly true.
In the case of the place I turned down yesterday, in retrospect I should have agreed to an interview anyway. I won't make that mistake again. But I did ask and they said that I should contact them if my circumstances changed -- so I haven't quite shut all the doors there.
David
P.S. It's really marvellous to have you back here, Cossie!
[Updated on: Thu, 11 October 2007 13:08] |
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Cossie said,I look forward to your directorial debut in the commercial sphere.
David said, Thank you -- though for the moment I'm pursuing cinematography rather than directing!
Doesn't the DoP direct something at least from behind the camera? Otherwise what does the "D" in DoP mean?
I've already told you how happy I am for you - but it never hurts to say it again.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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You're right, JFR: DoP does indeed stand for director of photography. The DoP directs the camera and lighting departments, and designs the lighting.
However, 'directing', without qualification, always refers to what the director does (or, at least, is supposed to do) with the actors. Otherwise this would cause a lot of confusion. ("I'm looking for the director." "Which one?") The director is the director, and the DoP is the DoP (or DP, or lighting cameraman, or cinematographer). No-one ever says "director of photography" out loud, because it's eight syllables, and clumsy.
The only exception I can think of to this is when the director makes the decision to delegate composition and framing to the DoP (as he might if he wanted to concentrate mainly on the actors' performances). These are actually part of the director's job, so a DoP who was choosing shots and camera positions (as I have had to do myself sometimes with inexperienced film directors) could be said to be co-directing. Though he's extremely unlikely to get a director's credit for it.
David
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cossie
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On fire! |
Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
Messages: 1699
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Thanks for your kind comment - I'm glad to be back!
As regards your directorial debut, there's an element of selfishness in my sentiment. I realise that it can take years to get into the director's chair, but I still hope to see your debut; if succeed, at least it means I will still be around at the time!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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A new lexus would be fantastic ;-D
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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