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Wishing you all a happy and love filled holiday season. May your days
(and nights) be filled with...whatever.
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Santa is coming, Santa is coming  Thanks Uncle Jim, hope that all of you have a great one too 
[Updated on: Thu, 27 December 2007 09:50]
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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I'm not going on holiday. So I'll just wish everyone Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Hug
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Err......
This isn't the place for this sort of display.....
Santa is cool..... Lets leave his dink to the imagination.....
Please remove the last bit of the show.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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jack
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hey i think that is in good taste.
well cool nothing smutty about that
life is to enjoy.
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marc
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It is in good taste for a porn site....
But as far as I knew this was not a porn site.... Until today....
Young people come here and that fact is enough to isolate this site from that sort of frontal nudity.... Some people come here from venues other than their homes, be that oput of boredom in their lessons, lack of a computer at home, or fear of discovery at home....
If a student opens that picture in school they run the risk of being outed if the case applies or expelled as is required within their school district.... Even for older people from college, That could be expelled for viewing porn on school grounds....
I was of the opinion that this place was above that sort of thing....
Apparently I am now wrong....
I will have to be more careful in the future of what place I recomend to young people to visit online....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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jack
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sorry posted wrong place b4
Marc have you lost the plot
that is an art form,
he is not sexually excited is he so how can you say its porn.
and this is a gay type site .
I think it is posted in good taste, well cool
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life is to enjoy.
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marc
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HAHAHAHA.....
Have a look at the wrong place.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I appreciate what you say, Marc, but how is viewing an image of a clearly over-18 nude man more dangerous than visiting a site that has graphic and definitely erotic textual depictions of teenage sex, much of it under-age?
If you recommend that people come to this board, you can be quite sure that they will end up seeing the stories as well. If they are observed reading those, or visiting other areas of this site, I think that's rather more likely to out them than seeing a small animated gif that's not officially sanctioned by the moderator of this site.
As for school rules, I'd be very surprised indeed if the authorities allow text porn but don't allow pictorial porn. Anyway, that picture has to be some of the softest porn I've ever seen -- if indeed it counts as porn at all, which is debatable.
David
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marc
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Stories are words.....
And a picture leaves no doubt as to the intent of a site.......
Not all schools filter out such sites.....
But.... whatever..... I will just be sure to not recomend the place as its apparent "safety" is but a blind.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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I think the point is that there is no overt nudity here because we are normally self policing. There are a couple of nudes on the main site, but no genitals are on view. There is also a foreskin restoration area on thee site with clear genitalia. Somehow that is not the same as a strip.
I'm not in to censorship, just good taste, and I am not yet cinvinced that this is good taste. I don't run a site for prudes, that is for sure, but equally I don't run a picture site.
We can discuss what is and is not pron until the cows come home, but the discussion here is whether this is appropriate for the forum. I have had two separate people suggest offline to me that it is not.
So a sensible compromise is to leave the titilation and pixelate out the genitals.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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jack
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ok Marc
you are right
hey have a nice festive time, if u wanna chat email me
bye
:-*
life is to enjoy.
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marc
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I don't think of myself as a prude in any sense of the word....
I am just concerned that every page in the forum is equally accessable to those that want to visit....
I don't think that is asking too much.....
And I don't think it is any sort of repression regarding content.....
I just want everyone to play safe..... and that means not having to be onguard for what might be a danger.....
Thats all.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Nor did I suggest the you were a prude.
I think it is a case of horses for courses. This horse needs to wear a little more clothing. It's amusing, it's lawful, but it's not wholly appropriate for the location.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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You are being weirdly selective in your prudery, Marc.
You say,
>a picture leaves no doubt as to the intent of a site.......
... yet a pornographic story does not? If I wanted to, I could pick a few paragraphs from the stories on this site that would cause even the most liberal, open-minded reader to raise an eyebrow. You're fine with that, and yet the most innocent of pornographic content, posted not by a moderator, but by a user (so really nothing to do with the 'intent' of the site), as a midly risque Christmas greeting, representing one small image among tens of thousands of posts, millions of words, turns the nature of the site completely, causing you to be 'sure to not recomend the place' again?
Isn't that just the tiniest bit overkill?
P.S. What is this obsession with protecting the young from full frontal nudity, anyway? The Life of Brian has full frontal nudity, and that's hardly a porn film. American puritanism, I guess.
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Taste is an argument that makes perfect sense to me. If that were the one Marc were using, I would have no disagreement.
David
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timmy
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I suspect US prudery goes back to biblical exhortations about not allowing nakedness to be viewed. This also caused some issues in Welsh pit-head baths and showers.
However, Marc's point is to do with the perceptions of others should someone here view an unclothed floppy todger in an inappropriate environment and be overlooked or monitored. I think we may simply not understand the point he is making in this side of the atlantic, but it is no less valid for our lack of understanding it
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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timmy
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You know, I think he is posing a matter of taste, but he is using different words to surround it. I translated in my mind what he wrote into whether it was a tasteful image to have here or not. Not as an image per se, but whether that image in this place was tasteful.
In the same way that weeds are "plants in the wrong place", I see this image as a weed here.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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It is a matter of perspective....
While one can see frontal nuidity in the Cistene (sp) chapple, it does not evoke the same emotional response as frontal nuidity displayed in a strip club.
It is a matter of appropriatness, and venue....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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.... and so many times!
OK, I wouldn't have posted the gif on this site.
OK, I would prefer that Tempo han't posted it.
That said, it's amusing and relatively inoffensive; indeed in the context of a site which is admittedly gay it's difficult even to argue convincingly that it's in bad taste. The most that can be said is that it may be in questionable taste - but it did come with a health warning attached! So why did the discussion have to get so pompous and heavy, effectively wrecking Uncle Jim's harmless and well intentioned thread?
'Tis the season to be jolly!
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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David wrote:
>the tiniest bit overkill<
I just love the expression. Is it litotes or oxymoron?
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Oh David,
I dont know about you, but I can not simply walk by a computer station and in the time it takes to pass read the page.
I can however in less than the time to pass by recognize a dick on the screen.
It is not a matter of prudery..... It is a matter of appearance.....
and a dick waggling on the screen is pretty overt...... As opposed to plain text......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Deja vu?
Not at all.... it is reaffirming a position each time the line has been crossed.
And every time it is crossed, expect Deja vu....
Sorry if it distresses you, or any other....
And the fact that it's Christmas is no excuse.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Nigel,
I think it is hyperbole.
Love
Anthony
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Marc wrote
"I dont know about you, but I can not simply walk by a computer station and in "the time it takes to pass read the page.
"I can however in less than the time to pass by recognize a dick on the screen."
Surely, the question is: "Which would you prefer to see?"
Love
Anthony
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It can't possibly be hyperbole -- hyperbole is overstatement, not understatement.
David
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marc
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I prefer to not see gay porn here on the forum.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc wrote:
>I dont know about you, but I can not simply walk by a computer station and in the time it takes to pass read the page.
I can however in less than the time to pass by recognize a dick on the screen.<
You know, I think I know what Marc means.
Hugs
N
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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cossie
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... without escalating the matter out of all proportion.
When this issue was raised, the request was that the last few frames of the animation should be deleted. OK, fine; that's a viable opinion which any poster might legitimately express. As I've already said, I'd be happier if the animated post had not been made, but - though possibly in questionable taste - I found it mildly amusing and pretty much innocuous. That's another viable opinion which any poster might legitimately express.
But there are two things which 'distress' me.
Firstly, Uncle Jim began this post with the obvious intention that it should lead to an exchange of Christmas - I can't bring myself to say holiday! - greetings. Whilst criticism of the animation is legitimate and was, I suppose, pretty much inevitable, it would have been courteous to launch the criticism in a different thread instead of effectively killing off the existing thread. I'm not for a moment suggesting that threads shouldn't divert as conversation diverts - but this was a hijack, not a diversion.
Secondly, the problem has been inflated to a ridiculous extent. The post was accompanied by a clear warning - 'PS - You may want to open alone'. Even if that warning were ignored, the first three screens of the animation make it abundantly clear where it is likely to lead, so there is ample opportunity to close. Whilst I accept that there are circumstances and locations in which it would be inappropriate to view the end of the animation, there is in fact virtually no risk that this could happen unintentionally. The suggestion that the animation might have a corrupting effect on young people has been adequately dealt with by Deeej, and - unless the young people are of a wholly different species from those of my acquaintance - is wholly unrealistic. In any event, it is less overtly sexual, and certainly less erotic, than the picture on the main 'Story Shelf' page. That pic has been there for several years, apparently without arousing controversy. And, just as one swallow does not make a Summer, one nude picture doesn't make this a porn site; to suggest otherwise is hyperbole gone mad. Finally, in terms of taste, I find it hard to distinguish between the closing frames of the animation and the use of a phrase such as 'recognise a dick on the screen' - though admittedly the former did not immediately make me think of a television appearance by George W. Bush!
This has been - intentionally - a fairly long post, but I dislike emotive exaggeration almost as much as political correctness, and neither approach is conducive to the advancement of civilisation.
It's fine to disagree; I doubt that any forum could survive as this one has without the interest generated by arguments. But please, let's try to keep a sense of proportion and courtesy.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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marc
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This is not thge first time this issue has been brought up.
But, I can see that there are more here that want the porn so I must relent.
After all.... How safe can a place on the internet actually be....
Only as safe as the participants allow it....
I will just not point people in this direction in the future.... Whatever.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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ProfZodiac
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So the "Story Shelf" main page is hunky-dory in your book?
Double-standard.
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marc
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First, I dont go there.
Second, I am refering to this forum. Nothing else. I have never made referance to the porn stories on the story shelf. It is this forum and only this forum that I am speaking about.
[Updated on: Sun, 23 December 2007 10:17]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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... and you are still making mountains out of molehills.
The point - stated shortly this time - is this. The post you criticised was possibly in questionable taste and for that reason alone it might have been better if it hadn't been posted. But it was no big deal, and though your initial reaction was perfectly reasonable and legitimate, your subsequent posts blew the matter out of all proportion.
And you are still doing it. Your suggestion that a majority of posters 'want' porn on the site is intolerably rude. No poster has made any such suggestion; all that has been argued is that it was not the earth-shattering crisis you alleged it to be. It might not have met the highest standards of the site, but it didn't hurt any bunny rabbits and it certainly wouldn't endanger the moral welfare of any young poster who might stumble across it.
The suggestion that such a trivial event in some way makes this forum dangerous and unsuitable for young people is, frankly, impossible to defend on any rational or logical basis.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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marc
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Although it is perfectly fine for persons to minimize what I believe to be something serious.
I guess I am begining to understand what is going on here.....
I shall just shut the hell up once and for all.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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You are aware, because I know you are aware since we discussed this elsewhere, that I share your concern for keeping pictures in questionable taste off the board. The main site is a different matter.
I think you are also aware that this is only of questionable taste, not actually in bad taste, though I do understand the principle you have started from, and I agree with it. "Avoid, where it is possible to avoid, the causing of challenges by accident to unwise surfers" is how I read you, and I agree.
I am sure Tempo is aware, or will be when he comes back here next, that his taste was amusing, lawful, and questionable. I am sure his reaction to the initial comments will be wholesome, but I am not sure how he will take the rest of the discussion.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Not to beat a dead horse
but marc you are being rather prickish {pardon} for raising this stink about a silly little image
who the heck really should care anyway?
its not as if it was anal or oral or anything of the heavy nature
get a grip on your issues and man up for once
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marc
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Likewise here as well......
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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