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just to post so people can actually see what i said
"Not to beat a dead horse
but marc you are being rather prickish {pardon} for raising this stink about a silly little image
who the heck really should care anyway?
its not as if it was anal or oral or anything of the heavy nature
get a grip on your issues and man up for once"
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I would like to start by making a formal apology to Uncle Jim. I am truly sorry that my post lead to your thread been so horribly hijacked.
I would also like to wishing you all a very Merry Christmas, I know that it may be a bit late for some but non the less, better late than never.
And now down to business...
In all ways and forms I am sorry that I posted the gif. I was fully aware of the questionable content of the gif, however, I also thought that it would be taken for what it was, or sorry, how I meant it to be. In the light of a post made not so long ago " Crack of Dawn " I worked on the assumption that it would be ok. But I see now that assumption in the mother of all F**k ups. The fact that I issued a clear warning does not make my actions excusable.
I will refrain from further posting any kind of content that may be viewed as questionable.
However, now I think that it is time to blow my own horn.
For timmy : I am sorry if I have damaged this forum in anyway. I am fully aware of the nature of the forum, as I was once new here too. And all I wanted then was a place to be able to be myself. And if I have taken this away from you then I am not as good a person as I thought.
For Marc : Since my picture seemed to raise the most agitation with you I would like to offer you the following, a clear no holds bared pre-post view of all my further messages and posts. This way I feel that with you been the most stringent I will not offend or upset anyone in any way. And further at your request I will reduce my board posts to Hello and Goodbye.
I know that you may view this as the tiniest bit overkill, but I guess what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
To all others : By the view of the replies that have been made, I would like to offer to all that I have offended my GREATEST and most SINCERE apology. If I have caused you any kind of distaste, agitation, aggression, trouble, or have put you in a questionable situation, please let me know and I will be more than happy to reply to any emails that I receive with a full explanation of why I posted what I did. I feel that posting the reasoning here is not fit nor pertinent to the above as not all and by far, from what I have seen, not the majority have been upset by this. But again this is based on my assumptions so I can see yet another F**k up coming on.
But like Marc said so clearly and with such tack... Whatever.
I will use this as my goodbye to you all. In the time that I have been with the forum, I have laughed with the greats, cried in solitude, grinned at commentary, and LOVED every moment. I will not trade my time here for anything. I found love, lost love, gained knowledge, threw caution to the wind and learnt to accept.
The greatest of all, I have examined individuality of a single life, of choices made and consequences faced. And how when two or more of these individuals come together the explosive passion is inexplicably motivational.
I am sad that it has come to this, but what's done is done, and if this is the path that I need to walk I will do it with my head held high, no regrets.
And if there is only one thing that really do want to share and hope that you all take away from this "little" explosion is :
Success is getting up one more time than you have fallen down.
My Best Regards and loving thoughts go out to you all. May 2008 and every year to follow be filled with the love, joy, hope, prosperity, happiness and health that you all deserve.
Michael-Kent Dobison 
P.S. Please do not think me weak for what I have said, I have gotten up and I am successful in that. I am on my feet and moving on, and the love I feel for all of you is far from gone.
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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timmy
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Just carry on as normal. Er, but I suggest you edit your post to remove the gif?
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Dear Tempo
I'm sorry you have made the decision to leave us. In some way I feel that is the a failure of the MB, not by you. Here certain opinions - more precisely certain opinion-holders - dominate. So have you asked yourself what the silent majority thought?
When I saw the .gif, and I've only looked at it once, I shrugged my shoulders and thought 'Uh uh, there's going to be trouble here. Poor boy'. I kept out of the thread - it wasn't that iconoclastic - but I write now because a scalp has been claimed. Can this be called a Place of Safety if a rooks' court has been held and one member has been chased out of the community?
You have made your apology, something which must have taken a lot of guts. Perhaps you will remain with us. Lurk for a while until the dust settles and when you feel ready communicate with us. Alternatively, if it makes you feel more comfortable, de-register and register with a new name.
During the furore I have been conscious of the thought: 'But for the grace of God go I.' Please reconsider, even if you do come to the same conclusion, but at least reconsider.
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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timmy
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The only good reason is that you no longer need whatever this place brings for you. I don't ask people to stay, but I do ask them to consider reasons for leaving very seriously before they go.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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First, it is a series of images..... not an image....
Second, The end game images in the series are serious to me.....
Prickish or not..... I believe I am entitled to MY opinion.....
If the day ever comes that I believe I should check with you as to the direction of MY opinion.... you will be the first to know.....
Until then, i suggest that you be the one to get a grip!
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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marc
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Your posts are fine. It's your choice of artwork that I have a definate problem with.
It was in bad taste.... Nothing short of that...,
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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To Nigel and timmy,
I hear what you are saying, and you are right it is no good reason to leave. I may not have been here for fractionally as long as some of you but I feel that I have still earned my right to say what I feel, and from now on I will. Agreed that the picture stirred a lot more controversy than I had thought it would but then again we all know what "thought" did...
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And now it starts, who declares art, art? And I have been through this before the statue of David is posted everywhere for the world to see, Leonardo's anatomically correct man, the temple of the Kama Sutra in India ( Jain Temple ) ... and the list goes on.
I respect the opinion of the individual, and I concur that some things are better left be. But that's just it, state your opinion and let it be, but do not turn it into a full scale war of words. I have also said this before, if we all shared the same views on everything, the world would be a very bland place. I agree that there should be a common ground when it comes to issues of sensitivity, but again this changes from person to person so how do we reach a common gaol?
I have always found that the best way to do this is to hold a pole / vote / FORUM, and again even then a denomination of the grouped need to have a neutral view on it all. The joy of Democracy...
I know this may not be making very much sense but I am, in a rather strange way, incredibly upset about the forced feelings and opinions of one on others. And please do not think that I am accusing only one person of doing this because I have may a time come close to doing the same thing. The view of its my way or the Highway is not a valid point, because there is never only one-way.
I am just about ready to do my nut over this. And Marc your comment on the whole porn site thing, I could not help myself but to laugh. There have been a number of posts and pictures that have been of a questionable nature but yet the attack continues. God how I love it. The free world my ass. But does it upset you more that not everyone jumped to your call for the removal.
My opinion I guess...
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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marc
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It ceases to become art when it is placed to tittilate.
It becomes offensive when it can be happened upon while I am at school and the possability that I could be expelled from college because of it becomes manifest.
The fact that you find yourself laughing at this is testament enough of your callus attitude toward placing offensive pictures onthe message board... I assume that it is due to nievety (sp) rather than lack of caring....
Free world? Not by any stretch of the imagination.... So just get beyond that idea....
The fact that more people are in favor of the pictures tells me much about how they think..... And that is sad indeed.....
I never suggested that you extricate yourself from here or anywhere for that matter..... That choice is up to you.....
My opinion I guess.....
[Updated on: Thu, 27 December 2007 11:45]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc wrote:
> It ceases to become art when it is placed to titillate.
By who's definition? And really please do not take this the wrong way but I really would love to know, my intent was never to titillate, and to say that I wanted to entertain would be just as wrong. If entertainment was my game then I would have been working in a strip joint a long time ago.
By definition ( to the best of mine ) ART :
–noun 1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.
11. arts, a. (used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
b. (used with a plural verb) liberal arts.
12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
14. studied action; artificiality in behavior.
15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
16. Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.
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[Origin: 1175–1225; ME I never suggested that you extricate yourself from here or anywhere for that matter..... That choice is up to you.....
I never said that you were out to extricate me, I merely made reference to the fact that your ideas and way of saying things had upset me. And true, it is my choice, and it was a choice made in the heat of the moment. The wrong choice and for that I have also made an apology.
I know that my "sequence of pictures" may have and seems as though it has caused a number of problems, but this is not the only thing that can "scare" a person away.
Correct me if I am wrong but you have also been reprimanded a couple of time for some of the things that you have said. The harshness of words is just as disturbing as a picture. Once seen or said a lasting mark is made, good or bad.
I do not for one second of my day wish to know what you have done, what you have seen, what you have experienced or even what has been done to you. I know that these events have shaped you as a person, and the words that you speak have grounding in your life.
But I think that the lesson that needs to be learnt here is that one should think before they leap...
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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marc
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It is a strip "TEASE" which is another word for titilate.....
Thus the differentiation between art and something somewhat less.....
Yes, I can be direct.... I can be painfully to the point.... But whatever words I type, they are in no way as graphic as a picture.... It takes some time to read.... even this little bit of typing..... a split second looking at a dong is all it takes to convey that message.....
I have absolutly no problem with the slide show.... up to the point where the G-string dropps.... That is where is becomes a potential danger, thus becoming offensive....
I agree, one should think before they leap.... and I am oh so guilty of jumping the starters gun on so many occasions.... But this issue is akin to the two sided coin.... one must think who might inadvertantly see what pictures are placed here....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Marc, you've stated your opinion. To restate it and restate it and restate ad infinitum (without attaching any importance whatsoever to the opinions of others, which are, in fact, equally valid) is just plain rude.
If there is any risk, Marc, that you will be expelled by looking as something as non-graphic as that image then there is a very simple solution: don't come to this board at school. Because, even before Temp posted that image, there was always a risk that someone would post something like that here. It's a gay messageboard, for goodness's sake. If you are prepared to take the risk, then it is your risk, and it is not the fault of all the other individuals on this board if one behaves in a way that doesn't come up to your standards.
In terms of the risk to younger posters, when I was younger (and I first visited the site when I was 16 or so) I would not dream of being offended by such a picture. It seems to me that the older people get, the more they ascribe a naivety to teenagers that does not, and never did exist. Nor would I ever dream of visiting the board in such an environment where I could be outed, so even if an image were to pop up without warning (and, in this case, there was warning) it would not cause me any risk. It seems to me that the hypothetical risk you have referred to is subsidiary to your own, rather selfish, wish to visit the board yourself, as an adult, from a school environment, but without taking any risk that the content will be out of your control. If you were caught, it would be our fault, not yours. Naturally.
The fact of the matter is that there is a silent majority here who don't see the transgression as anything other than non-existent, or extremely minor. I'm posting now so that you don't get the impression that you alone are right and end up beating poor Tempo into the ground.
Tempo, I'm really sorry to hear you are leaving, and would urge you to reconsider. Good luck and best wishes for the new year.
David
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marc
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How do you view a picture of frontal nudity as being non-graphic?
I never once said that the persons who navigate to the site would be offneded..... I did say that persons which might inadvertantly view them could be potentially dangerous.....
It is the fact that so many see the nudes as minor that cause me to wonder... About those persons that is....
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Marc said,
>How do you view a picture of frontal nudity as being non-graphic?
That's easy. By not coming from such a hideously Puritan country as yours. When I was younger, from the ages of 8-18, we had communal showers at school. It was perfectly normal to see each other in the altogether. There is no automatic, hard-wired link between nudity and sex in my mind, and that's the way I like it, thank you very much.
>I never once said that the persons who navigate to the site would be offneded..... I did say that persons which might inadvertantly view them could be potentially dangerous.....
By "persons" you mean you, presumably. You are, incidentally, giving an extremely good impression of being offended. Most teenagers are not as stupid as you seem to believe them to be. Whatever happened to the idea of personal responsibility? When I was a teenager, if I'd been caught using this site, I'd have expected some raised eyebrows, with or without the risqué picture. I doubt that anyone is going to "inadvertently" view a site like this one, still less than that they will "inadvertently" view a message marked as requiring viewing alone.
>It is the fact that so many see the nudes as minor that cause me to wonder... About those persons that is....
Well, I'm glad about that. I'd much rather you wondered about me than saw me as a prude.
David
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marc
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David,
You just do not get it....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I suspect I'm in good company.
David
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marc
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Actually.... no.
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Dear David,
Many thanks for your kind wishes for the new year. I do not think that I am going leave just yet, admitted I still have a lot to think about and I may just linger for a bit.
Wishing you and yours a great 2008.
Regards
Mike
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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Yes, David. I agree that nudity should be no big deal. When I was at school we not only showered communally but nothing was to be worn when swimming in the school pool (the excuse was that fibres from swimsuits clogged the filter!) and the school pool was visible from the houses at the back of the site and from almost the whole school playground.
In some parts of the USA there are problems with nudity - but I found places to swim naked both on the east and west coasts, so some americans dont mind.
I do agree that Tempo should not leave over this. And I should also say that I will do my best not to offend too. Strangely I think the thing about me that my friends questioned most was that we allowed our daughters to have their boyfriends home to sleep with them if they wanted. No-one argued that it was wrong: they were obviously too embarrassed about it! But we, alone among our friends, seem to have had no problems with adolescent girls.
Love
Anthony
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Actually, he is. JimB
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I agree whole heartedly Deej. You are in good company. There was nothing that I found offensive about the gif in question. Marc has beaten this dead horse so far into the ground that it can never be dug up. I am amazed that this was turned into such a crusade. Cripes, talk about "much ado about nothing" !!
Tempo, please stay around. As Timmy has stated time and time again, WE run this board. ALL of us collectively. One large family. NOT one individual.
I've said my piece, so have others. Enough !! There is enough "anal' behaviour in the world without me having to read it here as well. ONE comment would have sufficed Marc. As the saying goes, " I used to be amused but now I'm just disgusted"
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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marc
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I was most content to let things lie.... I made my point and was effectively through with it.... and this......
It was not I that decided to pour gasoline on the embers..... it was not I that fanned the flames further.....
Whether you like it or not, I will stand for my position.....
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Guys.......Im going to put my two cents in. This whole argument is a bunch of crap. Im one of the kids that Marc seems hell bent on protecting. Well guess what! Im a grown boy and I can take care of myself. I knew the first time I came in here that this site was only as safe as I make it. Marc and anyone else, I am not so stupid that im going to open this site when I know others can see. As far as school is concerned or the library, this site is blocked and cant be acessed. I know what a nakid man looks like. When I was little (no smart comments here) I would come in from a day on the farm with my grandpa and uncle and shower in the clean up room with them. This is someones attempt to set the policy of the board and the only one who should do that is Timmy. Tempo dont you dare cave into one persons opinion cause thats what it is an opinion and like ass holes everybody has one.
Timmy sets the tone of this board and nobody else. If Marc dont want to tell someone this is a good place to go then dont worry about it (that sounds a lot like, "If you wont play by my rules Ill take my ball and go home".) cause Ill sure tell anyone that this is the palce to go to get answers and just be yourself.
If something is funny, post it. As long as its not graphic sex, its not porn. Gee, there are so many people in the US that have warped ideas about kids. I havent been innocent since I was 6. I didnt get my info from the internet, I got it from school and the play ground.
If you feel the need to protect us, protect us from the preditors prowling the internet, but dont try to hide us from life. We got to leatn to live in the real world.
Sorry if I have offended anyone or made anyone feel bad, but maybe you needed to hear what one of us kids thought about the whole thing. Were not stupid and we know a bunch more than you think we do.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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It is a good theory....
But not all kids are as savy as you portray yourself....
Put yourself in their place....
Also, must I consider what is appropriate to ME by your standards?
I wonder.....
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You can have whatever standards you wish but dont try and force them on me. I was raised to be the perfect Catholic boy. I sang in the choire and I was an alter boy. There is tons of nude art in Catholic churches. Your wrong Marc, kids are as savy as I portray them. Aqualino was right. Your the one who was offended and no-one else.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Hey Curtis, great to hear from you again. Stick around this time. You have been missed. I hope your Christmas was good. Nice to hear a young man who has a sense of "what's what" in this world. Make some noise dude !!
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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Deeej....has said basicly the same thing I did. Now how do you figure all of us younger guys are wrong. Are you the only one on the moral high ground and the rest of us are morally and intillectualy below you. Because that is how you come accross. It just seems to me that you hold anyone younger as being intillectualy inferrior to you. I take AP courses and I am earning college credits. I have been invited to attend Harvard when I graduate. In maters of life you may know more and yeh myself and other young guys have a lot to learn about everyday life, but you cant shield us from it, we have to live it. We can get advice and that will help us avoid the worst things, but we have to experience life just like you did. Dont hold your education over us, cause some of us migh look down and thump you on the top of your head.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Hi Aqualino! Im good at making noise.LOL I love reading your post even when your just being silly. Hope you had a Fantasticcccccc Christmas and hope you will have a wonderful New year.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Ok i give up...... havy it your way......
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Finally, I have come to my senses.... i shall relent.... I defer to whatever it is that you all wish me to defer to....
I shall just agree with whatever it is that any of you have to say....
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Why thank you Curtis. My Christmas was great. I was just about to start a new post to see where you and Eldon and Jon have been hiding. I was hoping the response would be that you had all just been busy enjoying the time off from school, not that any thing going on here had discouraged any of you from popping up and letting us know what's going on in your lives.
Keep up the noise, it's refreshing. And you guys rock.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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When I was about 13, my grandpa told me that if I did not agree with something, respond with my opinion and then let it drop. To continue the argument just makes you look like the south end of a north bound horse.
He was a wise man and I wish he was alive now so I could tell him his advice was "spot on".
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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I had a retort prepared.....
But I relent.....
You are right.....
You are always right.....
I couldnt imagine anyone being more right.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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The thing is, Marc did raise a legitimate concern. It is a concern I was content to embrace; not, I hasten to add, out of censorship, but out of taste. I do agree that someone opening that board in a silly set of surroundings would expect better taste from us. That is as far as I go.
I do not subscribe to overprotection of folks. We all need to learn what behaviours are appropriate for our surroundings. There are, for example, some urls I visit in order to be reminded of my youth (well, to see what I missed, really), but I don't post them here because that is a behaviour I would not wish to see in others.
Tempo committed no hanging offence, and there it ought to have stopped. Now he feels upset, which is not right either.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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I never said that placing that series of photos on the board was a hanging offense.....
I am happy that he chose to remove them..... I am sad that he chose to remove the entire series.... Just the last 2 or three were the questionable ones.
Tempo..... Please don't take it as a personal thing..... I happen to like you and enjoy your interaction.....
Tha last thing I wanted was to bring this to a personal level..... and I worked hard from my end to keep it that way..... If I failed in this, I'm sorry Michael, I truely am.....
Marc.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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It would have taken a lot of photoshop to edit the final frames out I fear. And of course you did not say it was a hanging offence. I bet this is one of the ways politcal correctness started!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Nothing is a hanging offense.....
Nothing.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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cossie
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Location: Exiled in North East Engl...
Registered: July 2003
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This situation is becoming absolutely ridiculous.
Let me first clarify something I said in another post in the original thread. I said that I would not have posted the animation myself; that's true, but only because I'm not into that scene, though I didn't find it offensaive in the least. I also said that I would rather it had not been posted; that's too, too, but only because the reaction from Marc was entirely predictable.
Timmy, I have to disagree with some of your comments. I wholly accept that this is your site and you can do as you please, but you know how much I support the site, both on and off line. I hate to see it damaged in this way, and I think it's time we stopped pussyfooting about.
You say that Marc has a point about the danger of someone opening the post in school. I emphatically disagree. He WOULD have had a point if the nude image appeared without warning, but it did not. As I have said elsewhere, there was a specific health warning and even if that were ignored the first two or three frames made it clear where the animation was likely to be going, leaving ample time to close before the nude frames appeared. For that reason, I think you were wrong to ask Tempo to remove the gif; doing so lends a legitimacy to Marc's tirade which it certainly does not deserve. If you really felt that the Tempo's post was a lapse of judgement, you could have said so in an off-board e-mail. By suggesting its removal in the forum, you are exhibiting a double standard which surprises and saddens me. It is just as likely that someone might open 'Story Shelf' at an inopportune moment; if so, they would immediately and without warning be confronted by a much more erotic and sexually explicit pair of nude males. That picture is effectively permanent; Tempo's post was effectively transient; it would have disappeared over the horizon within a couple of weeks. I hope you don't remove the 'Story Shelf' picture; I like it a lot and I am sure that many others site visitors do so too. But I hope you will appreciate what I mean by double standards.
I explained in a response to Scott in another thread why I became involved in the exchanges but, for anyone who has read that post, I'll explain again. I wasn't prepared to let the thread peter out in a way which made Tempo appear to be the villain of the piece, because he most certainly was not. He may - and I emphasise 'may', because I'm not even sure whether that's a reasonable conclusion - have been guilty of a fairly trivial lapse of jusgement. Marc, on the other hand, has shown no judgement whatsoever. It must be abundantly clear to any reasonable individual that Marc was swimming against the tide. Timmy did mention that a couple of people had expressed concern about the post. That worries me, too. I don't like the idea of people complaining to the teacher behind the pupil's back. If other members of the site community had anything to say, surely it should have been said in the forum, or in an e-mail to Tempo, not to Timmy. Objectively, what can an off-board approach to Timmy imply, other that a reluctance to place money and mouth in the same place.
Timmy and Marc have known each other for several years, and this may be why Marc is treated with greater indulgence than most other posters. I wish that were not the case. Marc has been inordinately rude, not just to me, but to those I am proud to call friends, on many occasions in the past. He appears to be unable to conduct a civilised argument, since he simply ignores the points which other people put forward. For example, in the present exchange, he has completely ignored any suggestion that the animation was NOT dangerous, for the reasons I have suggested above. But it doesn't stop there; he has accused others of lacking adequate knowledge of grammar and syntax, though he himself displays little facility in either discipline. And he is pretty much devoid of grace in confronting the possibility that he may be wrong, though in this exchange every shred of evidence from younger posters contradicts his allegation that Tempo's post was in any way 'dangerous'.
Now I recognise that Marc is going through a difficult period, and I am entirely sympathetic to that. There is a sometimes overwhelming sense of love and support to be found within the community to whom this board is home. But to access that love and support, it is necessary - as in any other walk of life - to meet people half way. It cannot be done by wallowing in ostentatious self-pity; it requires a will to be part of the wider world. In the nature of things, people do not reach out to those who are unwilling to extend a hand in return.
And if Marc really wants to access the love and support which could be available to him, he really must adopt a more adult attitude - and above all he must get rid of the self-indulgent and wholly irresponsiple tagline he is using again. How can anyone prepared to use such a tagline presume to criticise others about what may be dangerous to young people?
I do not intend to withdraw from a site which has given me a greaqt deal of pleasure over the last eight years or so - but nor do I intend to allow Marc's rudeness to go unchallenged.
For a' that an' a' that,
It's comin' yet for a' that,
That man tae man, the worrld o'er
Shall brithers be, for a' that.
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marc
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I relent....
You are absolutly right....
[Updated on: Fri, 28 December 2007 10:35]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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You do know you are being pointedly and schoolyard-style rude. No-one could make these posts without knowing it. Please do not do this. You are better than the little stabbing comments. Everyone has looked at your posts now. People have responded to them with well thought out replies that you may or may not agree with, but pretty much all you are doing is sniping, not discussing.
The point has been lost in all the detritus.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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