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For a bit things in here were really going good and Eldon and Jon were posting some funny stuff, then all of a sudden all this bickering got started again. I have heard thru email from some of the younger guys and they are holding off posting cause of all the fights and bickering and stuff. I know that in any discussion there will be disagreements but durn they dont have to get nasty. I know that Jack sometimes said things that were for the best part unwelcomed, but was it deliberate of just something not phrased very well? I know that some people take the fun out of the forum, hey it might even be me for all I know. All I know is that we dont have to get nasty with each other cause we disagree. I want to see Eldon and Jon and some of the other younger guys post cause they can be funny and sometimes they need advice. I just know they wont post if they think its going to start some kind of argument.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Thanks, Curtis.
Your words speak to my heart.
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timmy
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Location: UK, in Devon
Registered: February 2003
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People should not withdraw from posting out of concern for what others might do with a thread. I agree with you that it is a shame when exuberant folks disappear, and yes some people do, sometimes, seem to remove joy from here.
I try, and do not always succeed, to let this place run itself, and, when I feel I have to step in, try and do not always succeed, to deal with what I see as issues with impartiality and fairness.
The room is large enough for anyone not liking someone else to be entirely separate from them
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hey Curtis ~
I'm Jamie and I've been coming to this message board for about 5 years. I write stories and have made a few really good friends here.I figured out the the best thing to do,when the "hot discussions" start, is to ignore the topics that don't concern me. I reckon that everyone needs to let off some steam every once in awhile.
I liked your reply over on that other thread. Hopefully, young guys will not have to make the same kinds of difficult decisions that the older guys had to years back. The pressures are different today. I respect all of them for however they chose to live their lives.
This message board is a place for people, young or old, to ask questions, consider advice, and laugh. No one has the right to be nasty or hurt anyone else. I think that sometimes we forget how many lurkers read the words we write.
Okay, that was alot of blahblahblah to let you know that this has happened before and will happen again. Ignore it, say whatever you want, tell a joke or tell a funny story. We all come here to connect ... so let's connect with a ;-D
{{{{{hugs}}}}} to everyone!!!
Jamie J
ps ........Everyone seems to be sharing deep secrets. Okay, here's mine!
I am totally obsessed with John Barrowman. He's beautiful, openly gay, and magnificently iced !! The only thing wrong with him is he isn't a cowboy .... but I would overlook that tiny flaw 
"It's not lying if they force you into the lie. Not if the only truth they can accept is their own."
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Well said, Curtis! But please don't give up on us.
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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Dear Curtis,
Yes I agree. I get more fun when you are teasing each other than when the boring old farts are arguing. And I'm one of them.
I do take life seriously and maybe I do it too much.
So - who do you have wet dreams about? [I've only ever had one wet dream and it was about David. I've never told him cos he's straight!]
Love,
Anthony
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LOSTSOUL
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Registered: November 2007
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i said i'd not be back! but, i see life is what it is! i have grown to like jack! but, i won't defend him here nor myself! i think that i need to develop my own site and have one to help real gay men find true love and all this bs that i hear here and elsewhere can be set free or eliminated! i am having a hard time seeing what i'm writing! but, don't care anymore so many people in the world are FAKE! i know that i won't ever trust any human again totally because everyone evidently lies including me! so, after my last attempt to be kind to others and it wasn't well-received here i feel the same as i did before! i don't care anymore about people! i think it best that i distance myself from people despite my desire to help others, i feel i'll just be hurt!
LOSTSOUL
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Dear Lostsoul,
No! We aren't all fakes and we aren't all liars. You maybe won't find the one person who can make you feel good here - but that's because such people may be extremely rare.
We all are extremely rare you know. None of us is the same as any other of us.
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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Registered: March 2003
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You are absolutly right.... I mean who could dispute what youre saying....
I dont think anyone, myself included intentionally goes off the deep end intentionally.... It is easy to bring up a problem... but I think the younger posters need to realize that some of the little problems that are introduced have had a lot of years to simmer within some of us old farts....
It is easy and reasonable to talk about things and raise questions that are important but when the issues brought up as a result cause the embers to be stirred and things can get heated......
Now.....
and this is a BIG NOW.... Ity is actually good for me when this happens... it brings things to the surface and that process gives me cause to look at myself, the issues I deal with, my past.... but most importantly my future....
Please just understand that even when i sometimes get pointedly abrupt in replies and rebuttal that in the end, you.... and others.... help me to be a better person....
You young guys mean a lot to me.... and I respect you all for your strength and forthrightness....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Dear Curtis (and all the other posters and lurkers who are 50 years younger than me),
Thank you for those sage words.
Us oldsters sometimes have an ego which is overdeveloped by age and some of us find it difficult to let a matter drop, to let it die the death. Heavens to Murgatroyd: some of us have not yet learned how to let the other poor sod have the last word.
Don't lose patience with us: show as much forbearance as you can, because your presence here is worth the presence of all us old cantakerous and egotistical farts put together.
If I could I would hug you - and Eldon and Jon and Jay and ... all of you. But I can't, so you must make do with a virtual hug from
J F R
PS to all fellow oldsters: please don't prove me right!
[Updated on: Mon, 21 January 2008 03:57]
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
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I've been a member of these forums too long to care. I was 17 when I first joined these forums over 5 years ago.
It's probably easier for me to say, because these forums don't mean much to me, I don't rely on them. They are just a casual part of my online time that have become ritual.
I'd go so far as to say I don't have friends here, just acquaintances. This place was a much bigger part of my life once- when I was one of the younger guys. But now I'm no longer one of the young guys, but not really one of the old guys.
In some ways it's good being distant, though, it's easier to ignore rude behaviour by acquaintances and easier to talk about things openly when there's no relationships and no emotional investment on the line.
Some people need the friendships here, though. And that is good, too. It just means they get fired up. I usually drift away when the topics don't interest me (usually happens when the whole front page is covered by arguing) and I drift back if I have something to say.
I used to get involved, but now it's just not worth it.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Dear Saben,
But you still have interesting things to say about relationships, even to me. I would miss your contributions if they ceased.
Love,
Anthony
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saben
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Registered: May 2003
Messages: 1537
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I'm glad.
I don't mind contributing when I have the time. And I hope people find my contributions interesting or useful.
My point was just that I don't involve myself in the community aspect of the site as much as I once did.
I'll contribute to the discussion, but the community often goes beyond the discussion. Being involved with the community (like any community) often involves politics- being involved with discussions means it's easy to come and go.
I wasn't saying I don't feel welcome here- I do. I like being able to contribute on my own terms in my own way without feeling obligated to the community in any way. But no-one should take it that I feel my way is better- just that I like it more. It also means I avoid the shit-fights.
Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
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Hey lil' brother, you really are one of the nicest guys here, and one of the nicest I've written to. Hey the other night was a blast, and thanks for that URL dude! Did you get the equipment winterized alright? We got snow that night, can you believe it! Major is doing great.
PS Other dudes who asked. Usually we don't name livestock, for one because they become to personal and like pets and you feel bad when they get sold or you eat them, and another there is just too many animals to remember everyone's name. But the prize stock that we keep for breeding all get names so we can track the insemination records and sperm bank levels (my job!) so the little bull calf that I helped birth the other day turned out to be a real sturdy and well formed animal, so dad said we were going to raise him as a bull for breeding not a steer for market which made me eggzellently happy. I named him Major.
PPS JFR I'll take that cyber hug. A guy can never get hugged enough.
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Eldon wrote:
JFR I'll take that cyber hug. A guy can never get hugged enough.
You've got it, man! 
And, since I am a vegan, here's a hug for young Major too. May he live long, sire many, and die of old age. 
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Eldon wrote:
What's a Murgatroyd?
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/heavens-to-murgatroyd.html
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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"And it is, it is, a very good thing to be a pirate king!..."
Might even be more fun to be the cabin boy!
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I heard about them cabin boys. I also heard that to be the Captains boy was the top of the ladder, he was exclusive.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Eldon, you are wicked! ;-D
Go to jail; go directly to jail; do not pass Go and do not collect $200.
And here's a virtual hug to take with you.
Dammit! I think he's got a "Get out of Jail Free" card!
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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My daddy is a pistol and I'm a son-of-a-gun. Bein' wicked runs in the family.
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Yep and I like pulling the trigger
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Locked and loaded Tennessee, locked and loaded! You sure pulled the trigger the other night.
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At your age, I have a suspicion that it's a hair trigger!  )
Youth crisis hot-line 866-488-7386, 24 hr (U.S.A.)
There are people who want to help you cope with being you.
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Hair trigger for the first shot, but the later shots are just squeezed off real gentle like! And the two magazines carry lots of ammo.
This my rifle,
And this my gun,
That is for shooting,
This one's for fun.
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