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http://news.aol.com/story/_a/boys-killing-labeled-a-hate-crime/20080223141909990001
motherf'ers dont deserve to live
this is the type of shit that sets me ready to rip people a new asshole
on that note i wish to extend my deepest condolences to the boy's family and prayers that the bastard 14 year old kid who did this gets the death penalty... {or atleast life in jail}
No one deserves that to happen to them
The Phoenixville Area High School GSA will stand behind you
The whole gay community should
[Updated on: Sun, 24 February 2008 00:19] |
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The are charging him as an adult, which means the DA there is serious. I hope it doesn't get knocked down to Juvie. If he's convicted, and it looks like it's an open and shut case, he'll do time in Juvie until he's 18 then go to a regular prison. For his sake, I hope he's ugly as sin. They're going to eat him alive in prison, Juvie or big time.
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It's easy for us to be angry at the thought of this young person's life being brought to such a horrible end. But you know, I can't bring myself to totally hate the 14 year old boy that committed this crime. But I do direct my anger at his family who either taught him this extreme bias or at the very least failed to correct it. And I'm angry at a system that perpetuates an extreme homophobic viewpoint. I'm upset that a preacher can hold up a sign that says "God Hates Fags" that lets the boy feel justified in his actions. This is the the sort of world that young hater grew up in. Don't get me wrong - I think the shooter should be punished and deserves his punishment. But the boy wasn't raised in isolation - he didn't pull his animosity out of thin air - he was raised with his values or lack of them. There are other culprits in this crime that will get off free. It takes a village to raise a child. And I wonder how many of that shooter's relatives or mentors are in righteous indignation over the boy being punished for simply shooting a queer? They share that boy's guilt but they don't have to share his punishment. Where is the justice in that?
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Yes, Paul,
You are right. We all agree that it's a horrible crime and I really feel for Lawrence's family and friends, but things are worse here - I don't think in my local school anyone has dared to come out yet. Maybe if they did they wouldn't get shot as guns are quite rare here but the reason must be that nobody comes out because they think they will be treated horribly. And in a school of 1300 there must be at least sixty boys who are or will be gay or bi.
But the question is what to do with the criminal. Everybody hating him won't do any good, either to him or the haters. (By the way, I'm not a christian preaching forgiveness.) If he ever gets out of prison the danger is that if he is full of hate he'll do it again. And I don't know what it is like in the USA but here it costs more to keep someone in prison that it does at the most expensive private school. Even if it is just for practical reasons what we ought to do is to educate him and change his attitudes so that he can contribute to society - and the sooner that is done the sooner it is safe to let him out.
In England we have a higher proportion of the population in prison than anywhere in the civilised world and the popular press continually calls for longer sentences and "lock 'em up and throw away the key". The attitude doesn't help to socialise the criminal and the overcrowding in prison makes any kind of education difficult and when they get out 70% are arrested again within a year so we certainly aren't doing enough to enable them to live without committing crimes.
Love,
Anthony
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Anthony said,
>In England we have a higher proportion of the population in prison than anywhere in the civilised world and the popular press continually calls for longer sentences and "lock 'em up and throw away the key".
Where did you get that from? The percentage of the population in prison is far higher in America. 724 per 100,000, according to the BBC. Over here we have 145 per 100,000. Half an order of magnitude fewer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm
David
P.S. Oh, unless you mean America (with China, Russia, Brazil, India, Mexico, Ukraine, South Africa, Poland etc.) is not part of the civilised world? 
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until you show me the 60 gay or bi kids
i will never believe that statistic
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Dear Deej,
Yes I did say the CIVILISED world. But actually Bush doesn't make the USA and I made a mistake: Maybe you can confirm that it is true of Europe?
[Nor, when he goes will the USA suddenly become completely civilised - read Darkfall!
Love,
Anthony
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Dear Jordan,
Why not? I believe that about 10% of the population are GLBT and in a school of 1300 that is 130 and about half of them are boys which would be 65 and I said 60 to be conservative.
When I was in the navy the proportion of those I knew was MUCH larger than 10% - more like 25% I think.
Or did you mean there are more?
Or did you mean that perhaps as much as the lower half of the school aren't old enough yet to have a sexuality of any kind? (I agree about that).
Anyway you haven't told me what I have to do to help.
Love,
Anthony
[Updated on: Sun, 24 February 2008 16:48] |
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acam
and what i want is positive eperiences not sex related about your life as an lgbt person be it about how you came out or an experience triumphing over persecution etc...
[Updated on: Sun, 24 February 2008 22:29] |
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I've heard various figures bandied about. But I believe the consensus is that 10% of people are gay or bisexul. I'm certain it doesn't appear that way in your school though, Jordan. Not many people of your age have the courage to come out. Those that do probably only do so to a select few. And so it would appear that far fewer than 10% of the population of your school are soul mates.
You know, I believe these figures were a result of a Kinsey study that is many years old. Owing to the climate of those times in accepting homosexuality, I wonder if it may not even have been on the low side? Does anyone know if any newer studies have been conducted?
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We do have more people in prison than the rest of Western Europe, apparently. I guess that Europe is probably the most civilised continent, as far as we Europeans are concerned, anyway.
David
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Paul said,
>You know, I believe these figures were a result of a Kinsey study that is many years old. Owing to the climate of those times in accepting homosexuality, I wonder if it may not even have been on the low side? Does anyone know if any newer studies have been conducted?
From my own experiences at school (before the age of 18 ), in the right circumstances, most people will admit to having 'gay thoughts'. Fewer will actually admit to an attraction; even fewer will participate in behaviour that they would describe as gay; fewer would regard it as core to their sexuality; very few indeed (relatively speaking) would identify with an absolute label such as 'gay'.
But a researcher, to get consistent results, needs to find an arbitrary point at which he can classify people one way or another. Even if he creates a graded scale, and explains it to his subject, asking them to judge their answers accordingly, he is still being, to some extent, arbitrary. If he decides that 'occasional gay thoughts' makes someone gay, then he could 'prove' that 90% of people are, to some degree, gay or bisexual. If 'living a gay or bisexual lifestyle' makes someone gay, then the final figure will almost certainly be well below 10%. (Look at the number of gay people on this board who are single or are married.)
What this means is that no-one should really accept the Kinsey result without looking up the precise criteria he used. The same goes for any more modern study -- any study, for that matter, in a subject as imprecise as sexuality. It's unlikely that any researcher will supersede Kinsey, as there are so many factors to take into account and no-one will be able to reproduce all of them; only produce different results in different conditions. Sexuality is so fluid and difficult to quantify, and the methods of measuring so subjective, that the slightest difference in conditions can lead to an entirely different conclusion.
David
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Dear David,
Yes, it's a slippery subject (nice!). Yes, it's subjective and even arbitrary, but there are facts to be established (what sexual things have you ever done with someone of the same sex0 and there are feelings to be acknowledged (has the sight of another person of the same sex ever given you an erection).
And a skilled researcher can make such enquiries in a properly chosen sample using techniques that identify and exclude the dishonest answers that some jokers will always give.
But I agree with you that Kinsey is really very out of date and that the more permissive attitude in some places nowadays may well have resulted in a greater proportion of people trying and discovering they like gay activities. I've found sites on the internet which ask you to choose you position on the gay/straight scale and there are surprisingly few people who choose 100% straight. I've spent half an hour looking on the internet for something more recent. I haven't found anything yet.
Let me know if you know of anything better.
Love,
Anthony
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