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The right to free speech!  [message #49475] Thu, 13 March 2008 13:15 Go to next message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ is interesting. Her email address is in the transcript on youtube of parts of the video



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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49476 is a reply to message #49475] Thu, 13 March 2008 13:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The fallout over this government official's hate speech can be seen in this excerpt from a CNN news release - "Kern Refuses to Apologize for Hate Speech".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRGau30jl3E&feature=related

I am editing this to add that this particular congresswoman is not alone as a state representative to hold these views. Our state governments are rife with these individuals. The anit-gay rhetoric that comes from my own Idaho state legislature is sickening. I hold these people as co-conspirators in the murder of 15 year old Larry King. These people perpetuate the belief that it is okay to hate. What a sad legacy they leave the voters and citizens of their states.

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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49478 is a reply to message #49475] Thu, 13 March 2008 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49481 is a reply to message #49478] Thu, 13 March 2008 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>The woman has opened herself to hate speech prosecution.

As detestable as her statements were, Michael, I hope this country never goes the route of the Canadian Government in passing hate speech or hate literature legislation. We need to guard our rights to free speech even when it allows some bigoted, anti-social to espouse their beliefs. For a reasoned discourse on why this is important, please read:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006330.php



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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49483 is a reply to message #49478] Thu, 13 March 2008 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of my all-time fave websites is http://www.religioustolerance.org/aboutus.htm

Exactly! It all boils down to the particular bunch of mythologies a person believes in. For example, Eldon and I belong to the Oblates of the Most Holy and Furry Perineum. Thus far we only have two houses of worship, his bedroom and my bedroom, plus an occasional missionary expedition aboard the sloop during which we try to bring enlightenment to other young men.

Incidentally, the Feast of the Sedentation of the Blessed Cat is March 25.
Remember this? I posted it a while back.

How would the The Episcopal Church deal with the statement that "the cat sat on the mat" if it appeared in the Bible?

The liberal theologians would point out that such a passage did not of course mean that the cat literally sat on the mat. Also, cat and mat had different meanings in those days from today, and anyway, the text should be interpreted according to the customs and practices of the period.

This would lead to an immediate backlash from the Evangelicals. They would make it an essential condition of faith that a real physical, living cat, being a domestic pet of the species Domesticus, and having a whiskered head, a furry body, four legs and a tail, did physically place its whole body on a floor covering, designed for that purpose, and which is on the floor but not of the floor. The expression "on the floor but not of the floor" would be explained in a leaflet.

Meanwhile, the Catholics would have developed the Feast of the sedentation of the Blessed Cat. This would teach that the cat was white, and majestically reclined on a mat of gold thread before its assumption to the Great Cat Basket of Heaven. This is commemorated by singing the "Magnificat" and "Felix namque", lighting three candles, and ringing a bell five times.

This would cause a schism with the Orthodox Church which believes tradition requires Holy Cats Days (as it is colloquially known), to be marked by lighting SIX candles and ringing the bell FOUR times. This would partly be resolved by the Cuckoo Land Declaration recognising the traditional validity of each.

Eventually the House of Bishops would issue a statement on the Doctrine of the Feline Sedentation. It would explain, traditionally the text describes a domestic feline quadruped superjacent to an unattached covering on a fundamental surface. For determining its salvific and eschatological significations, we follow the heuristic analytical principles adopted in dealing with the Canine Fenestration Question (How much is that doggie in the window?) and the Affirmative Musaceous Paradox (Yes, we have no bananas). And so on, for another 210 pages.

The General Synod would then commend this report as helpful resource material for clergy to explain to the man in the pew the difficult doctrine of the cat sat on the mat.
Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49484 is a reply to message #49481] Thu, 13 March 2008 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to agree with you. Let them rant and rave, and eventually anyone with any common sense will realize they're crazy.
Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49485 is a reply to message #49483] Thu, 13 March 2008 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Only the Church of the Fornicating Feline has it correct. It is the doctrine of the "Cat in the Hat"! Brother Zeus has proven the mat theory unorthodox.

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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49487 is a reply to message #49485] Thu, 13 March 2008 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh no! Don't tell me you have fallen prey to Feline Fundamentalism!?!?
Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49488 is a reply to message #49484] Thu, 13 March 2008 22:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whitewaterkid wrote:
> I have to agree with you. Let them rant and rave, and eventually anyone with any common sense will realize they're crazy.

You are right, but the operative here is "common sense. As soon as the Rush Limbaugh's, Sean Hannity's and Bill O'Reilly's get hold of this quote by this "sage, elected official" (my quotes not theirs, but probably could be) they will hold her values open to the rest of their radio and television audience as representative of the "normal American". They will not be shouted down by common sense, because they have too firm a grip on the American media.

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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49490 is a reply to message #49481] Fri, 14 March 2008 04:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49491 is a reply to message #49483] Fri, 14 March 2008 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whitewaterkid wrote:

Eldon and I belong to the Oblates of the Most Holy and Furry Perineum.

It sounds as if you can have your own Holy Trinity: Perry Mason, Perry Como and Perry Nahum. Wink

J F R

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The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
The cat sat on the mat  [message #49492 is a reply to message #49483] Fri, 14 March 2008 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear Jon,

That is brilliant!

Love,
Anthony
Sally Kern  [message #49495 is a reply to message #49475] Fri, 14 March 2008 12:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I sent her the following email. It'll do no harm and might deflect some of her anger to wash over me.

Dear Sally,

I've been listening to a speech of yours on You-tube.
You are under a misapprehension. I don't know anyone who WANTS to be gay any more than someone wants to be black. I'll bet you don't either!

It is ludicrous and how ludicrous it is is shown by asking the question the other way round "What was it that happened to you in your childhood that made you WANT to be heterosexual?" Left handed people will tell you it is just how they are. Nobody can change their sexual orientation or their skin colour or their handedness. There is absolutely no possibility of "recruiting" people to be gay - and if there were they would all be recruited to be straight because that is so much less problem to be. And the proportion of people who are gay doesn't seem to have varied for a few thousand years - as far back as anyone has evidence - it is about 10% of the population.

I am 73. When I was 18 all homosexual acts were illegal. That didn't stop me. I was exclusively homosexual for ten years and then got married and had children and now I have four grandchildren. And I'm still gay! I told my wife before we married, she still accepted me and we have been faithful to each other. But I'm 73 and haven't had sex with another man for nearly fifty years and I'm still gay and my elder daughter said the other day "If Sylvia died you would be looking for a man to live with, wouldn't you". And I said "Yes."

So there is no possibility of America going down the drain because of gay recruitment; the danger from the policies of your president is another matter.

Yours faithfully,
Anthony Camacho
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Re: Sally Kern  [message #49498 is a reply to message #49495] Fri, 14 March 2008 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: The right to free speech!  [message #49499 is a reply to message #49490] Fri, 14 March 2008 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our executive government has been able to pass laws that would have been unthinkable at any other point in our history. In the name of 'Homeland Security' our government has opened a door to pry into the private affairs of it's citizens. When other terrorist actions occur, as we all know they eventually will, then even stronger and more intrusive legislation will be passed.

What does this have to do with 'Hate Speech' legislation? Once we start down the slippery slope of dissembling our constitutional guarantees, (speech, free press, assembly etc) then we truly face George Orwell's future. When we accept one law limiting our freedoms of expression or speech, then we open ourselves to a domino effect of similar legislation. The frightening thing to me is that Europe and the U.S. have already begun this plunge into 'security at any price'. I believe the end price will be a burden beyond our expectations. And we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

>‘Linda
>The opposite of freedom is not slavery but security.

He is wrong. It is security and slavery.



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Re: The cat sat on the mat  [message #49506 is a reply to message #49492] Sat, 15 March 2008 01:16 Go to previous message
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Dear Anthony,

I wish I could claim it was mine, but I filched it from our church's newsletter. I honestly don't know who wrote it. But I didn't.

Love
Jon
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