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Good out of bad  [message #49508] Sun, 16 March 2008 10:04 Go to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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Yesterday I had to go shopping, not one of my favourite pastimes, and it came on to rain quite heavily. As I huddled into the bus shelter I found myself standing in the the queue next to an exquisitely beautiful young man.

In his late teens I would estimate. His skin was healthily white, his hair (what I could see of it under the black combination hat of beret and cap) was cut well and shining. His eyes were blue, on the grey side, but clear and sparkling. He was slim and dressed almost entirely in black. His denim trousers ( I wouldn't call them jeans) had a low rise and therefore sagged to show the top of his yellow and therefore uncoordinated briefs. The black belt accentuated his package.

I think he knew he was something special from his deportment both in the queue and on the bus.

Unfortunately there would never have been a meeting of minds between us. His shoulder bag advertised that he was a vegan and that he supported the the Animal Liberation Front (an extremist organisation in the UK that specialises in criminal activity and was responsible for destroying much of the smaller fauna in the New Forest by 'rescuing' farmed mink and releasing them into the wild.)

I'm not saying he was gay. That would have been wishful thinking on my part. I was glad just for once that the bus was late.

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N



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49509 is a reply to message #49508] Mon, 17 March 2008 00:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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I would have prefered the bus be ontime...



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49510 is a reply to message #49508] Mon, 17 March 2008 04:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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Hey! Wotchagota gents kute veeguns anyway?
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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49512 is a reply to message #49510] Mon, 17 March 2008 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
saben is currently offline  saben

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I think it is less to do with veganism and more to do with fundamentalism. Believe what you like about the nature of animals- but try and force those beliefs onto me and I'll treat it much like I do any religion being forced onto me. The strange thing is that a lot of the time these environment fundamentalists are opposed to Christians forcing their moral codes onto the world, yet it is perfectly fine for their brand of morality to be imposed onto people through, at times, violent and criminal means.

A case in point is the anti-whaling protesters. Now I have my own problems with some aspects of whaling, especially when it is non-sustainable and in breach of treaties. But often anti-whaling protesters break the law and even when they don't they condemn consumers of sustainable whale-meat as somehow being immoral.

Whale meat derived from high population species such as Minke is no less moral than meat derived from any other animal. And while there are moral issues surrounding meat-eating in general it is not right to force those values on other people...



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49514 is a reply to message #49512] Mon, 17 March 2008 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49515 is a reply to message #49510] Mon, 17 March 2008 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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Nothing against vegans in particular. It's just that so many veggies I have met - but not all - who assume the moral high ground over us meat eaters. I'm a vegetarian. I love vegetables, but I also eat meat (dead animals).

Have I just deposited a can of worms to be opened?

Hugs
N



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Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.

…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
Re: Good out of bad  [message #49516 is a reply to message #49512] Mon, 17 March 2008 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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One aspect of hunting whales which is unacceptable is that the Japanese claim to kill them for scientific research. What needs researching from killing them and why does so much of the meat end up in shops and restaurants after the 'research' has been carried out?

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N



I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.

…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
Re: Good out of bad  [message #49519 is a reply to message #49516] Mon, 17 March 2008 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
saben is currently offline  saben

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Why do Japanese claim to do it for scientific purposes? Because doing it for economic purposes would cause just as much of an uproar! Yet that should be legitimate.



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49522 is a reply to message #49515] Mon, 17 March 2008 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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>Have I just deposited a can of worms to be opened?

Only if you eat them... ewwwwww! Sad)



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49527 is a reply to message #49522] Tue, 18 March 2008 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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Only if they're veggie worms, Paul.

Btw the party piece of one of my former pupils was to eat earthworms. Raw! Fried with a little scrambled egg and pepper like elvers it might be different.

Hugs
N



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Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.

…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
Re: Good out of bad  [message #49542 is a reply to message #49519] Wed, 19 March 2008 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Camy is currently offline  Camy

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Quote:
Why do Japanese claim to do it for scientific purposes? Because doing it for economic purposes would cause just as much of an uproar! Yet that should be legitimate.


Hmm ... so ... eating endangered species is fine and dandy, is it? It should be legitimate, should it?

Perhaps you think we should be able to buy Elephant foot umbrella stands, ivory key rings, and Chimpanzee bush meat in all the large supermarkets?

Yep, that's the way to go!



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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49549 is a reply to message #49542] Wed, 19 March 2008 21:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
saben is currently offline  saben

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Read next time perhaps?

I said: Whale meat derived from high population species such as Minke is no less moral than meat derived from any other animal.

Minke whales are not endangered. Yet there is a blanket condemnation of ALL whaling.

That is what I have a problem with.

I get upset when the Japanese engage in whaling of endangered species or break international treaties.

I wouldn't mind if they sold kangaroo meat in supermarkets and in fact they do. And monkey meat in a general sense, while not something I'd be interested in, should be legitimate.



Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
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Re: Good out of bad  [message #49550 is a reply to message #49549] Wed, 19 March 2008 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
saben is currently offline  saben

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Of particular note is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Japan_whaling_1985-2006.svg

The red bars indicating Minke whales.

A lot of Japanese people oppose whaling of endangered species, too. But that makes up a small part of all Japanese whaling.

The Sperm, Fin, Bryde's and Sei Whales should not be touched. Yet Japan took less than 200 of those species combined. Compared with over 500 Minke whales.



Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
Re: Good out of bad  [message #49551 is a reply to message #49550] Wed, 19 March 2008 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
saben is currently offline  saben

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Also, thinking about it logically. If these endangered whale species have a population growth so low that they are being impacted by a global annual take of around 500 (once you factor in Norway, Iceland, etc) then they are already doomed anyway. And Western countries are just as responsible for that.

But being against consumption of Minke meat is like being a vegetarian that still eats chicken- it just makes you a meat racist.



Look at this tree. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me nor make it bear fruit before its time [...] No matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple or an orange, but you will get a peach.
Master Oogway
Re: Good out of bad  [message #49572 is a reply to message #49551] Fri, 21 March 2008 20:49 Go to previous message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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Now, I only found this. Don't beat me up like I wrote it or anything.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=whales_suck



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