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I'm back  [message #49940] Tue, 15 April 2008 00:53 Go to next message
M is currently offline  M

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Location: USA
Registered: September 2003
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in the south... Georgia to be exact. Things are so much different here. Just looking for a place to stay, looking for some old friends and try to make the best of it.

Not to use names... the person i'm talking about will be named John

On another note...today i learned the people i live with (older gay couple, together for 25 years); one them is about to be fired from his job because he is gay. John is assistant manager at a large company and his boss found out he was gay. His boss doesn't like gay people and was already making arrangements to get him fired by sending e-mails to the corporate offices saying he was not doing a good job. As a result, john was going to be put on a 60 day trial period to check see if he could improve his working skills, otherwise, he was going to be let go.

Good thing John found out in time. The human resources lady, also getting fired because her job is being cut, told him his days in the company were over. She told him to watch out because the boss found out he was gay and wanted him out - to better start looking for another job. To confirm this, John checked his boss's e-mail and everything was true. John confronted his boss and the boss completely denied everything. What his boss didn't know is that John had already read the e-mails. John managed to read the e-mails because his boss left the computer logged on while on vacation. Now that John turned in his resignation, the company is going to investigate further and who knows what might happen. So far, John has his job, but for how long?

In most states of the United States, homosexuals are not protected under the law at the state or city level. What John's boss is doing is completely legal and it will be a tough battle to win in court if the company doesn't have a policy regarding sexual orientation.

Makes me sad to hear this stuff actually happens.



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Re: I'm back  [message #49941 is a reply to message #49940] Tue, 15 April 2008 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CallMePaul is currently offline  CallMePaul

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I think he would be better off getting another job anyway. Why continue working for an asshole? His stomach would be in knots all day just wondering what the boss would pull next. I just hope he can get a decent reference out of them for his new job applications. If it is a large company that does business outside the state they could be very concerned about their public image. If John were to let it be known that he was considering going public with the company's attitude towards gays, they might bend over backwards to provide him with excellent references.



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Re: I'm back  [message #49945 is a reply to message #49941] Tue, 15 April 2008 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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Dear M and Paul,

When I got fired from the BBC I got a solicitor friend to represent me and claimed that they were proposing an unfair dismissal (that is, in those days one that was against the law). And it's true. It really was exactly that and I presented a good case with a great deal of supporting evidence. I used to work in a building where the BBC's solicitor worked and we used to see each other in the lift. He, too, thought my case was right!

Anyway I still got fired but I got one of the largest settlements of the time - nine months' salary! So it's well worth John collecting the evidence that he has been well thought of (and that the bad mouthing only started when his boss found out he is gay) and finding out if there is any human relations or employment law that would help him.

And even if there isn't, a well prepared denunciation of the company for discriminating against gays might be taken up by such people as ACLU.

Oh - my boss, who got rid of me was a total shit and was gay and didn't know I was!

Love,
Anthony
Re: I'm back  [message #49947 is a reply to message #49945] Tue, 15 April 2008 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

Needs to get a life!

Registered: March 2003
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Thats all well and good.....

But.....

Most states here have no right to work legislation....

Which means that if employed in the states without said legislation, you are working at the by-your-leave of the employer... as such you can be dismissed at whim.... without or with cause.... without fear of legal reprisals.

Sad, perhaps..... but it is what we have to deal with.....



Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: I'm back  [message #49958 is a reply to message #49945] Tue, 15 April 2008 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nigel is currently offline  Nigel

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Anthony, you didn't spurn his advances, did you? That could well have been the cause of your downfall.

How times have changed. These days (y)our (dis)position in the Beeb would be unassailable.

Hugs
Nigel



I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.

…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
Re: I'm back  [message #49970 is a reply to message #49958] Wed, 16 April 2008 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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No, Nigel,

I didn't, because he never made any. I only know he was homosexual by reputation. He was very much a loner. He lived by himself he told me. His name was Oliver Taylor and his job title was Chief Assistant Radio Management, which in the usual BBC way whould normally have been abbreviated to CHARM. He hated that and wanted to be called ChAsstRM. At a Chirstmas party I asked the chief engineer, George Buck, why Oliver didn't like to be called CHARM and had the retort "Carp, more likely!" (He was a nit-picking fault finder too.

And he didn't suspect me. He knew my father and I was married with two small children that I like to talk about.

Love,
Nigel
Re: I'm back  [message #49971 is a reply to message #49958] Wed, 16 April 2008 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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Dear Nigel,

I forgot to say that even in those days there were many 'out' homosexuals in the BBC and many more who were peeping round the door of the closet. I must have known a dozen or two.

The great Cedric Cliffe, who my father got to act as trustee of the fund that paid my university education, fell in love with another member of his night fighter crew and never married. At one time he was head of the Latin American Service.

The BBC was a very tolerant place. It used to be said that a direct command was always taken as an invitation to negotiate!

Love,
Anthony

[Updated on: Wed, 16 April 2008 10:17]

Re: I'm back  [message #49972 is a reply to message #49945] Wed, 16 April 2008 10:15 Go to previous message
acam is currently offline  acam

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I'm sorry: I should have made it clear that when I was fired from the BBC it was not for being gay. It was because my boss was using a computer system to try to control work that was the responsibility of other people. I was the project leader and unwilling to go along with it. So he just started giving me bad annual assessments and so on. He was plainly clearing the way to have me dismissed for failing to do an adequate job.

The grand denoument was a meeting with the Director of Programmes (Radio), the controllers of Radios 1, 2, 3 & 4 , the programme planners and the presentation editors (and, of course me and my offensive boss and one or two others) ie the top ten administrators in British Radio, at which the offending computer system was dropped. And I asked that I should not work for him any more and was publicly promised that I wouldn't have to.

But they never did find a congenial boss for me; having seen what I did to Oliver, most of the weak time-servers were scared I'd see through them too. For example the guy who I did report to, when he got appointed to the top service supply job (buildings, computers catering - all that sort of service) was asked "Now you have the top job Tex, what are your aims for improving things?" He replied that his only aim was "Survival"!

Enough.

Love,
Anthony
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