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On this date, April 18, 1865, General Joseph E. Johnston, Confederates States Army, his troops greatly outnumbered and at the utter end of their endurance as a fighting force, surrendered to General William T. Sherman near Durham in our State of North Carolina, and thus ended the last organized Confederate military operations in the eastern area.
In grateful and loving remembrance of the men of the State of North Carolina who, at the call of Duty as they understood it, left their homes and fields and workshops, their families and their friends, and served their State and Confederacy bravely to the end.
"We have fought this fight as long, and as well as we know how. We have been defeated. For us as a Christian people, there is now but one course to pursue. We must accept the situation."
General Robert E. Lee, Confederate States Army
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Virgil Cain is my name
and I drove on the Danvil train
Till Stonman's cavalry came
and tore up the tracks again
In the winter of 65
we were hungry just barly alive
I took the train to Richmond myself
it was a time I remember oh so well
The night they drove old Dixie down
and all the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
and all the people were singing.
Back with my wife in Tennessee
and one day she said to me
Virgil quick come see
there goes the Robert E. Lee
Now I dont mind Im chopping wood
and I dont mind that the monies no good
Just take what you need and leave the rest
but they should never have taken the bery best.
Like my father befor me
Im a working man
Like my brother befor me
I took a rebel stand
He was just 18 proud and brave
but a yankee laid him in his grave
I swear by the blood below my feet
You cant raise a Cain back up when hes in defeat
The night they drove old Dixie down
and all the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie Down
and all the people were singing
La La de dada da
la da de da
la de da da
Joan Biaz (who caught a lot of flack over this song)
[Updated on: Fri, 18 April 2008 20:36]
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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ProfZodiac
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I missed "V-S" (Victory over the South) Day? Damn.
I'll make sure to raise my glass to General Sherman tonight, then.
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Do you know what "Hail" is???? Its the place where Sherman is going for burning Etlanta.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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ProfZodiac
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Sherman, for all his supposed faults, was a brilliant tactician. He wanted the war over with (and the South unable to rebuild an army), and he sure as hell achieved that goal. The destruction of the rail lines in particular was a key move in the effort. What were those called, Sherman neckties? Something like that.
I'll also raise a toast to Crispus Attucks, a black man from my hometown who was the first man to die in the American Revolution, a war which allowed Georgia to even exist as an entity in the first place.
To Crispus! To Sherman! Huzzah!
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Is it in order for a Brit to regret all war and the glorification of it?
It is, as Wilfred Owen wrote:
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
It is nearly always lies that justify war. The lie of weapons of mass destruction; the lie that the Iraqis would support an invasion; the lie that it would all be soon over (and you had Vietnam as an example!); the lie that people would be better off when Saddam Hussein was gone and the lie that the many Americans, British and Iraqis 'gave their lives for their country' (their lives were taken from them: not 'given').
Death is death and you tell me what would justify the death of a child of mine or a sibling? Yet Blair and Bush are honoured.
Well, not by me.
Love,
Anthony
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Well lets drink a glass of wine to Nathan Bedford Forrest, who took 5000 men and made 50,000 yankees run like the cowards they were.
Lets look at the war for what it really was. I was a war of economics. Freeing the black man had nothing to do with it. In fact Lincoln didnt want to free the slaves. This was pushed on him at the end of the war.
The south lost the war because it didnt have enough industry to keep up with the demands of the war. Not because the yankees were brilliant.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Lincoln's initial goal was in fact preservation of the Union....
not until late in the war around the time of the emancipation proclamation(1863)
{which mind you did nothing bloody well at all}
Lincoln was initially quoted "If I could free all the slaves I would If I could free some of the slaves but not all I would my goal is strictly the preservation of the Union nothing more"
Or something like that we learned it in AP US. History
also the initial conflict is not as you brit's or any other in the world may htink popular ideals say oh it was to free the african american blah blah blah... but no it was over the state's rights and whether or not they had the ability to secede as they viewed it because they thought the constitution was a voluntary agreement not anything binding
The North just to contradict you yankees had the worst commanders at the beginning of the war:
Iwin McDowell at First Bull Run
Joseph Hooker at Chancellorsville
Ambrose Burnside at Fredericksburg
George B. McClellan in god knows how many bonehead moves
George Meade in Gettysburg for not routing Lee's army after the Pickett's Charge bit
Compared to
Robert E. Lee{who mind you Lincoln wanted as first choice at beginning of warfare}
Nathan Bedford Forrest{cavalry mastermind}
AP. Hill
James Longstreet
Jubal Early
Jeb Stuart
JE. Johnston
Albert Sidney Johnson
So the reason that the South lost was not because of poor military commanders but that they honestly couldn't fight with the same vigor any longer. They didn't have industrial capacity and they only had a population of 9 millions compared to a whopping 22 million for the North it was all a matter of preparedness for the war that doomed the south.
{third edit because I had an idea}
and by the way you "we crushed the south we owned them" people remember the election of 1864 the only reason Lincoln won was because of Grant winning Vicksburg and Meade at Gettysburg two timely victories that swayed public opinion back in favor of the war... George B McClellan was running in that race he was a "Peace Party Democrat" who if he had won would've sent peace commissioners down to Richmond immediately to get the war over with...
The United States would have been a totally different country then... and in my opinion a much better place.
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marc
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No matter how you look at it the tragedy was that it had happened at all.....
If the world were perfect... there would have been no people owning other people... There would have been no desire to seccede to ensure that right would not be legislated away from them... yada yada yada....
The cold fact is that it is over.... or it should be at least....
So stop waving the confederate flag and get on with life....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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ProfZodiac
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If McLellan wins the election, he doesn't go down there do end the war amicably. He goes down there to say, "you want to do your own thing, fine." Lincoln's re-election ensured that when (not if) the Union won, the rebel states would be taught that secession is illegal.
Of course, sometimes I wonder where we'd be if he'd let the South go, but then I recall that for a long time, the South voted Democratic. So if the South goes off to do its own thing, we'd have never had, for example, Presidents Roosevelt, Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy, etc.
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If the Republicans win the upcoming election (and we all know who Im talking about)all were going to have is another Bush in office. President Bush is a bible thumping head up his ass christian who is responsible for thousands of boys, like myself, being killed for nothing. Bush is so fucked up even his own people are beginning to hate him. He is going to go down in history as the worstst president in the history of this country.
If the south had had the industry they would have won the war. Every major battle that was fought the north lost. The bloodiest battle of the civil war was fought 150 miles from where I am. Its the battle of Shiloe or also called the Battle of Pittsburge landing. The lost of life was horrendous and the pond and stream there ran red with blood for several days. The Yanks were defeated.
The north won only thru circumstances, not because they were brave or good fighters. The funny thing now is that the south is A, a nicer place to live, B. More economically stable, C, and major industries are moving here now because the overall climate is better.
So while your shivering your big butt off up north, my skinny little butt is enjopying 80 degree weather. The north aint so great, its cold and the cost of living is much higher.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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Dear Curtis,
How right! In Rudyard Kipling's "Epitaphs of the War 1914-1918" he wrote:
If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.
Bush is the chief liar, ably supported by Blair (and now by Brown).
All that is necessary for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
Love,
Anthony
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ProfZodiac
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For one, I do not have a big butt. I have a nice little butt that suits me very well, thank you very much. 
And I seem to recall all of my classes telling me Antietam was the bloodiest battle of the Civil War, which the North arguably won. (I say arguably in that neither side was truly decimated, but the Union gained momentum.) Oh, and the Battle of Gettysburg was, well, a pretty important Union victory. You know, the tide turning and all that.
You may have the "industry" centers, but we have the business and political centers of the country. DC may be south of the Mason-Dixon line, but it is a Northern city.
And don't forget - I'm from the most liberal state in the country. You'll get no argument from me about Bush's stupidity. I'm just upset my candidate (Dodd) didn't make it.
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