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icon12.gif Here is what real conservatives believe  [message #50360] Thu, 08 May 2008 10:57 Go to next message
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"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."
Barry Goldwater-Founder of the current "TRUE" Conservative Movement.



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Re: Here is what real conservatives believe  [message #50361 is a reply to message #50360] Thu, 08 May 2008 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Once upon a time, "conservative" was associated with careful change and controlled risk: do what is good for all, but listen to all views first. The word did not connote a knee-jerk belief in Puritanism. Knee jerks were the province of us bleeding-heart, misty-eyed liberals.
Re: Here is what real conservatives believe  [message #50366 is a reply to message #50361] Thu, 08 May 2008 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, Brit,

But go to the Stonewall Group site and see who is opposing the proposed legislation against incitement of homophobia! They are all Conservatives and most of them supported Thatcher's infamous introduction of clause 28 and opposed repeal of it.

The truth is that it is only people of liberal sympathies that naturally support equality of treatment for same-sex people. If Barry Goldwater is a liberal, his party, on the whole, isn't Just one person with the right opinion doesn't make a party electable (I hope). The conservatives in the UK and the republicans in the USA can neither of them be trusted to support equality of treatment for LGBT people! But that doesn't mean you can trust Labour or the Democrats.

Tony Blair, for example, has just been received into the Roman Catholic Church! That organisation is responsible for millions of deaths from AIDS which could have been prevented if the population had been encouraged to use condoms. To accept what the church (any church) says about right and wrong is as morally bankrupt as joining the army and (implicitly) agreeing to kill anyone that you are ordered to!

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Anthony
Re: Here is what real conservatives believe  [message #50372 is a reply to message #50366] Fri, 09 May 2008 00:55 Go to previous message
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Anthony,

Barry Goldwater, Sr., was the Republican nominee for President in 1964 and is credited with founding the modern Conservative movement in America. Goldwater was a "bad guy" in most liberal views, and I dutifully hated him at the time, but he was staunchly in support of gay rights and of a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses to. I actually was surprised to learn that. He believed that people should be allowed to live their own lives. That's the aspect of conservatism that's been beaten out of the Republican Party here in the colonies.

Brit
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