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Bravo Jaqui Smith  [message #50530] Wed, 21 May 2008 08:33 Go to next message
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The UK Home Secretary, Jaqui Smith, has granted political asylum to a 19 year old Iranian who is afraid to return home. In 2005 Mehdi Kazemi arrived in London to study English. His lover, still in Iran, was arrested and hanged for being homosexual.

But I don't understand how this could be: only last year the Iranian president told the American people that there were no gays in Iran.

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Re: Jaqui Smith is far from perfect  [message #50531 is a reply to message #50530] Wed, 21 May 2008 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear JFR,

While giving asylum she is also seeking powers to lock up anyone she declares to be a 'terrorist suspect' for 56 days without charge. Our freedoms are being damaged more by this government than any other within living memory.

I should describe it as extreme right wing. She is a worse home sectretary than Michael Howard - and that's saying something.

Anthony
Re: Jaqui Smith is far from perfect  [message #50533 is a reply to message #50531] Wed, 21 May 2008 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While they have been damaged, it does no harm to applaud a sensible deed at the same time as deprecating other policies Smile



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Re: Jaqui Smith is far from perfect  [message #50537 is a reply to message #50531] Wed, 21 May 2008 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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acam wrote:

While giving asylum she is also seeking powers to lock up anyone she declares to be a 'terrorist suspect' for 56 days without charge.

Dear Anthony,

I appreciate what you are saying, but nevertheless I would ask how you would suggest a modern democratic state should combat world terrorism? (This is not at all meant to be a provocative question, but a serious one.)

My original commendation was, of course, concerning the asylum granted to a gay person whose partner had been hanged just because he was gay. To be absolutely honest I had no idea who Jacqui Smith is: in my country "Jacqui" or "Jacky" is a man's name.

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Re: Jaqui Smith is far from perfect  [message #50538 is a reply to message #50537] Wed, 21 May 2008 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I appreciate what you are saying, but nevertheless I would ask how you would suggest a modern democratic state should combat world terrorism? (This is not at all meant to be a provocative question, but a serious one.)

The socially appropriate answer to this is that they should be treated the same as any other miscreant charged with a similarly heinous crime. Murder is murder.... just because a murderer is home bred he shouldnt be accorded preferential treatment.



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Re: Jaqui Smith is far from perfect  [message #50548 is a reply to message #50537] Wed, 21 May 2008 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear JFR,

The whole thing is totally out of balance. The number of people killed in road accidents in a year vastly outnumbers those killed by terrorists and yet the effort put into stopping the (supposed) terrorists outweighs that on traffic improvements by a huge factor.

I'm inclined to think that the threat from terrorists is a bit like that from Saddam Hussain's weapons of mass destruction. A threat blown up out of all proportion by those who have power and want to increase their power. For example in Bristol a 19-year old who, no doubt, was quite excessive in his adherence to his religion was taken into custody and his home made the subject of several 'controlled explosions'. If he *was* a threat (which I very much doubt) he could surely have been dealt with without the histrionics. The truth is that the government LIKES to frighten people and is anxious to get the power to put anyone they like (I mean dislike) into prison without charge for 56 days. All they have to do is say that person is a terrorist suspect.

I think in the UK she is usually spelled Jackie Smith. I know several females called Jackie.

And, of course, I wholly approve of giving the Iranian gay man asylum.

Love,
Anthony
Re: Bravo Jaqui Smith  [message #50553 is a reply to message #50530] Thu, 22 May 2008 08:49 Go to previous message
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JFR wrote: >only last year the Iranian president told the American people that there were no gays in Iran.<

The logic is obvious. There were only sections of gay Iranians, the ones who have been murdered and the ones who fled the country.

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