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And no, you will probably never see it in the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cXNzcxDrN4
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
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timmy
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Way to go! The scenario is frightening to the USA - the men are too manly to be gay! THAT terrifies folk. We might be ANYWHERE
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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We?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Well, it was a big assumption that two men kissing on the lips might be gay.
"Gay men"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Not just 'might be' - ARE.
Love,
Anthony
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marc
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I was commenting on the "manly" part of your post.....
It doesnt take a great deal of imagination to relate to the gay theme... after all it was presented here.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Well, they were many enough, and so am I. Hence "We"
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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okay.... I believe you may be correct, E.J.
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If anyone feels that the Heinz decision to pull this advert was misguided, pusillanimous, gutless and wrong, do feel free to contact them on http://www.heinzsight.co.uk/ContactUs.aspx I have!
(Their form isn't reliable, especially under Firefox - you may have to use another browser, re-type the message, or try again later!) And I've just been told that messages can also be e-mailed to consumer.contact@uk.hjheinz.com or heinzfoodservice@impactdm.co.uk if you can't get the form to work.
(edit - added e-mail contact)
[Updated on: Tue, 24 June 2008 11:29]
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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timmy
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Worked under Firefox for me
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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glad to hear it worked OK for you - apparently, part of the problem was that their system was overloaded and not able to respond!
There's now also a petition - which already has more than twice as many signatures as there were original complaints - at http://www.petitiononline.com/heinz
and a facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18375931157
Stonewall has called for a boycott of all Heinz Products: see http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8088.html
OK, some may think this is all an over-reaction. But, the way I see it,
either this is a cynical marketing ploy, in which a "dangerous gay" commercial was shown, anticipating a reaction from bigots and homophobes which would incite debate to get their product noticed, and they always intended to pull the advert to increase the furore
or a major international company has cravenly caved in to a very small number of bigots.
Neither of these is really acceptable, and if it takes a legion of furious fags, friends, families and fellow-travellers to show both Heinz and other multinationals that the time is long past when we'll meekly stand for this, well, that's what it takes and count me in!
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. ... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night devoid of stars." Martin Luther King
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I signed the complaint. I just wonder if they remember Anita Bryant and the orange juice fiasco. The gay community banded together and ruied her carrer.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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marc
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Oh hell.... Did she really have much of a carrer before the orange juice thing?
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Nigel.Dickie@uk.hjheinz.com is the email address of he director of UK corporate affairs. He might like to have a full mailbox. or not!
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Not much of one but after the orange juice thing it was 0. The one thing she will always be remembered for is being a homophobic bigot.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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marc
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For sure..... I tried and can't think of anything she did....
She was in entertainment of some sort i think.....
Oh well...... how the mighty have fallen.
[Updated on: Thu, 26 June 2008 01:08]
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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No Message Body
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Well, they're...not.
The implication is that the sandwiches that MOM makes are as good as a New York deli sandwich maker's. Yes, it was two men kissing, but they're not "together" as two men.
See also: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7475394.stm
The Beeb.
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timmy
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Of course not. It was a cartoon situation populated by human beings instead of drawings. But Heinz has made it into a "gay kiss" by withdrawing the advert, and created its own altar on which to sacrifice itself.
The advert was poor, too. I missed the message until it was spelled out to me in short words. The agency should be ashamed, and the idiots who said "Yes, this is great, air it!" made a woeful misjudgment, just because of the trashiness.
But the infinitely worse error was to withdraw it after 200 moral guardians complained. That positioned it as a gay issue, alienated the pink pound, and alienated a load of folks whose sexuality is irrelevant to the issue.
The responses in public from Heinz show arrogance beyond belief and a total lack of listening to their customers.
The demand that the advert be reinstated is also farcical. It's a crap advert. Why reinstate it?
And the answer is "because the withdrawal has offended so many people that only the reinstatement, even for a short time, will satisfy the crowd."
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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professional homophobe bill o'reilly ranted about the ad last friday. I wonder how many of the complaints came from people watching his show.
(\\__/) And if you don't believe The sun will rise
(='.'=) Stand alone and greet The coming night
(")_(") In the last remaining light. (C. Cornell)
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timmy
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Well, the UK Advertising Standards Authority will only accept complaints from UK residents or UK armed forces personnel based overseas.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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She was Miss Oklahoma, and runner up in the Miss America contest, was a singer that had 3 hit songs. Her stint in Florida reversed an anti-discrimination ordinace, she should have her picture in the dictionary next to the word homophobia. All her victories have turned into defeat in insuing years. Last heard she has recanted her anti-gay views and wants by gones be by gones. She is probably old, wrinkled and bitter.
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marc
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Miss Oklahoma? WOW.......
Runner up in the Miss America contest? Doesn't that mean the first looser?
and 3 songs....
Now there's a resume.....
Well, she has to be old..... none of us get younger as time goes by...
and wrinkled goes along with being an old lady....
As for bitter.... I'm not about to taste it....
EWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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LOL! Interestingly enough, the same right-wing Christian core group that embraced her all those years ago, abandoned her when she got divorced!
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I prefer the notion that it's even possible for bigots to learn and change albeit a hard road for them to travel!
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I discovered that one UK politician did "something" sbout it:
Liberal Democrat Leader, Nick Clegg has today written to the Director of UK Corporate Affairs at Heinz, urging him to reconsider the company’s decision to withdraw an advert that featured two men kissing.
The full text of the letter is below:
I am writing to express my disappointment at Heinz’s decision to withdraw the Deli Mayonnaise advert this week. The depiction of a same-sex kiss in this advert was innocent both in tone and content, and I am shocked that you decided to withdraw it. While I understand that some people in Britain today are uncomfortable with same-sex relationships, such prejudice should not be condoned by an organisation of your size and stature. The sight of two men kissing affectionately should not be considered offensive or controversial. This is particularly the case in an advertisement which was so rich in irony and double-meaning. The decision to withdraw it has not only offended many gay, lesbian, transgender - and straight - people, it also represents a backward step in attempts to combat homophobia in Britain today, not to mention a collective loss of humour. I am asking you to reverse this decision and reinstate the advert. Yours sincerely, Nick Clegg MP
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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timmy
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Heinz are not listening to folk. The petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?heinz has well over eleven thousand signatures, but they have still missed the entire point.
Put simply:- The ad is by no means about homosexuality - it is a sort of cartoon kiss that just happens to be between a male dad and a male pseudo-mum
- The add was pulled by Heinz after 202 UK complaints to the UK's Advertising Standards Authority
- Heinz chose to apologise "to the people who were offended", thus demonstrating that they kowtow to 202 bigoted complaints
- The American Family Association (to whom the advert is irrelevant because it never showed in the USA) are probably at the root of Heinz's worries because they and Heinz are US based
- Heinz has started to "apologise" again to those who complain, BUT the apology is apologise FOR the advert, not for PULLING it.
If you are on Facebook you can see a load of verbiage about it here: http://tinyurl.com/65gxyx Do join the facebook group.
There is a pretty reasonable description of it by someone I know rarher well at the following urls (cronological order):I expect this will run for a bit.
If you have your own blog, please add this material to it. the more different results that search engines show for Heinz Deli Mayo that feature this discussion the more Heinz will be overwhelmed.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Agencies make adverts....
Heinz is under no obligation to use an advert just because it has been made....
Just because it has a gay couple kissing once in it does not make it a gay rallying point....
They arent in the gay agenda business... they are in the pickle business... irregardless of whatever opinion gay advocates have... it's their business.
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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You are missing much of the point. Heinz, as a large corporation promoting the fact that it listens to its customers, has chosen to apologise to 202 of them for choosing to run the advert in the first place.
In reality trying to persuade them to reinstate the advert IS stupid. The attempt should be to get them to do something positive to help combat homophobia.
It is the apology that is offensive, not the advert. And the advert has nothing to do with homosexuality.
If the advert had been a black couple kissing and Heinz received complaints, would it have withdrawn the advert and apologised to all white folks who were offended?
[Updated on: Sun, 29 June 2008 20:34]
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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You said there were over eleven thousand signitures in favor of reinstating the advert.
How many thousand are in favor of it not being reinstated?
If there are eleven thousand and one in favor of not renewing its showing then Heinz IS listening to its customer base.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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Show them to the world, then. So far the condition is not met.
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marc
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I give up.
Tim insists he is right and I am wrong.... therefore that must be how it is.
You win Tim....
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timmy
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Why is it that when others do what little they do for gay rights you appear to despise that? The contrary view is not always the one you must take. Sometimes there are degrees of being right. Even the different drummer you so often choose to march to is, just sometimes, in step with the rest of the world.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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marc
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Despise?
Is taking a realistic view from another perspective despising the origional objective?
Well... it must, you said it...
Or perhaps it is just what it is.... a view from another perspective....
but then, perhaps that is not allowed either.....
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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timmy
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This "not allowed" stuff. Just give it a break. Just try again to be cordial, pleasant, and co-operative. You might even like it. You've styled yourself as some sort of combative unpleasant old git. It's time for that style to change.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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