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marc
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Was that a question?
Or a determination?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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John..
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sorry about that.
Do you think the USA is about to get its first Black president.
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Some snidely claim that Bill Clinton was our first black president. I do think that Obama will win easily.
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Some might say that It should, But I rather doubt it myself. It would mean that large numbers of previously solid Rebublican voters would have to change sides. Would they do this for a non-white candidate? Is America ready for a Non-White president?
I don't know the answer to that, but I personally am not sure that it is.
Paul.
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It was a huge supprise that Obama won over Hilery. we were either going to have our first female president or our first black. I think even the republicans have determined that to vote for McCain is just going to give them another 4 years of a Bush clone. What everyone feared has come to pass, we have been put into another Viet Nam and McCain will keep us there. I think Obama has a very good chance of being our next president. I just hope if he gets it he will do what he said he would.
If you stand for Freedom, but you wont stand for war, then you dont stand for anything worth fighting for.
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marc
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Yup... I think Obamma has it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I think this election will turn out to be very close or a massive landslide but we can't really be sure yet still 3 months left a lot can happen in 3 months. Does any one else hope that we don't have another debacle like 2000 Gore should have won easily but we got Bush instead. America's worst mistake would be not punishing the Republicans for denying Conservatism for insane policies that haven't been of benefit but to a small number of people in the country. We have to change the spending policies of the Federal Government or America is going to be ruined! America needs a massive change in its policies but we have needed change for 4 year!
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake since for him a spinal cord would suffice. Albert Einstein
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At this point in time, I think that your average American would vote for a chimp before it would vote for a Republican.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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My choice is Senator Obama. Not because I think he is the anwser to all the liberal's prayers, but because he is the best choice we're going to have. I think the country as a whole will accept Obama if he wins. I don't think the election is going to be easy for either candidate.
Generally, people do realize that McCain is a business-as-usual Republican, and I think the present state of the economy, the raising energy costs, and the tightening money markets tend to discredit the Republicans and their policy of letting the rich fatten off the middle classes. But...
Can Obama win an election? If you go to his websites, he has beautiful and moving speeches, but I haven't heard any real concrete platform postions of even the most fundamental questions. He waffles around a lot. I'm not sure he's a leader. I'd like to think so, but stripped of the pretty packaging his speeches don't really say much. I have to say that with McCain at least you know what to expect.
Much of course will depend upon whether or not a Democratic Congress is returned. A Congress committed to change and a President will to lead the nation forward into a more liberalized future might accomplish great things.
One person I pray nobody votes for is Ralph Nader. Don't get me wrong, Ralph Nader is an exceptional American, one who has done much for public saftey and consumerism. But he's not a national leader, and his high tide is most definitely long past. He never would have been a successful Presdient, and never will be. He's too rigid in his views, and is way too dismissive of anything and anyone who does not "toe the Nader line" unquestioningly. All Nader's name on the ballots will accomplish is fragment the Democratic votes, like in previous elections. People say they're voting for Nader as a protest. Protesting what? The lack of a better slate of candidates? That's silly because a protest is only a protest if someone is listening and pays attention to that protest. In 2004 Nader got less than one percent of the vote. Nobody pays him any attention except a few aging flower children who never quite made it out of the Sixties. I wondered the other day if somehow Nader was in the pay of the Republican Party, since they stand to benefit the most from having him run.
Well, I'll vote for Senator Obama. Not because I think he's the best man for the job, but because he's better than the alternative.
Somebody once asked the Chaplain of the Senate if he looked at the state of the country and prayed for the senators, and the Chaplain replied, "No, I look at the senators and pray for the country."
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I'm sorry Michael, but I find what you said to be nothing short of sickening.
JimB
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It will be Obama though I fear he will be as subject to special interest to the same extent as all the rest sadly.
I think the only thing that will prevent the scenario that Michael suggested is that everyone has been saying that since he took the lead in the primaries!
That is if we even do make it till January with out marshal law being declared leaving shrub in charge for who knows how long...
After all if you guys haven't noticed the economy is still crumbling. Sorry to say young guys like Whitewaterkids inheritance may be worth diddily pretty soon. Enjoy while you can!
LOL I don't know why i do it, the truth never make friends. Funny though I'm saying anything that I haven't been saying for a few years now. Just always remember, If you put a frog in a pot of cold water and turn the heat on under it he'll sit there happily until he's par boiled.... Ewwww groooossss
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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John..
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Michael,
You mirror my thoughts exactly.
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Dear aqualino,
How I wish you were right about that! I'm worried that you might not be.
Love,
Anthony
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Yes, Jon,
As Churchill said of democracy: it's a dreadful way of choosing the government - just better than all the others!
I agree with the man who said that wanting to get elected president ought to disqualify you.
Love,
Anthony
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Until abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, euthanasia and a lot of other issues are no longer considered we are going to have a tough time convincing many people to vote for a Democrat. It is depressing that none of these "social issues" are really issues that can be decided by popular vote. The issues that deal with certain moral ideals are really annoying to discuss, because they have nothing to do with politics. People are going to have to stop trying to force morality into American culture through political action or the current problems we are dealing with won't go away. I do not think Obama is up to such a tremendous challenge. I don't know what he'll be able to do against the corporate side of America's political arrangement. Even the Supreme Court is on the side of Corporate America the last president to deal with a Supreme Court that is as pro-business as the current one was FDR and we know how that turned out! The last time things were this bad Republicans resigned to give Democrats a chance to fix the problems that existed, and I don't think that will happen this time.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake since for him a spinal cord would suffice. Albert Einstein
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Dear Rick,
Why do you say 'the truth never makes friends'? Maybe I'm odd (the thought is barely conceivable!) but I've always been more impressed by truth than any of the other supposed virtues of that kind.
But what is 'that kind'?
Truth is a property of statements! If it isn't a statement it can't be true or false. A statement is true if it asserts something about the real world and the real world IS as it asserts. [OK all sorts of things such as mathematics are not in the real world and can be true (in the sense of logically consistent) - but that's not what I'm talking about.]
Truth is the correspondence between a sentence and the real world. It is called 'the correspondence theory of truth' but there isn't any other theory that I know of and I've been a philosopher for about fifty years.
But, of course most political positions are not statements about the world; they are proposals how things ought to be, such as 'people unemployed through no fault of their own ought not to be made to starve (or steal) while they seek work', or 'the best way for the nation to prosper is to impose no limits on what a business can pay its top people', or 'constitutional changes should only be made when two thirds of the senate and house are in favour'.
In the UK we have no constitution and governments such as this one or Mrs Thatcher's can make massive changes with a bare majority! That is why, in the UK, you can be put in prison without charge and held incommunicado for 28 days and you have no redress and no legal way of calling the government or its agents to account. And when they let you out without charge you have no redress! I don't think the citizens of the USA realise how far down the road to an (elective) dictatorship we have travelled.
Is it a question of truth whether that means the USA governmental arrangements are better than the UK's?
Love,
Anthony
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Dear Anthony, So am I.
aqua
There is a sacredness in tears. They are not the mark of weakness, but of power. They speak more eloquently than ten thousand tongues. They are the messengers of overwhelming grief, of deep contrition, and of unspeakable love. Washington Irving
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Whitewaterkid wrote:
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> Well, I'll vote for Senator Obama. Not because I think he's the best man for the job, but because he's better than the alternative.
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Jon, in your complete post you verbalized my sentiments exactly regarding the upcoming election. I have selected this portion to quote, because for more elections than I can remember, I have felt like I had to vote for the "lesser of two evils" rather than for a candidate that I truly believed represented my political views. My first choice was John Edwards, my second was Hillary. Will I vote for McCain because my first choices aren't on the ballot? No way. I can not understand how people would vote for a completely different political philosophy just because their primary person did not win the nomination.
I also agree that Ralph Nader is a political spoiler. Ross Perot did the same thing. It's puzzling to me how a person would throw away a "protest vote" to someone who has no chance of winning, rather than supporting someone who can make a change (there's that word of choice again). I assume those persons hold the belief their vote makes no difference.
As I catch up on the board, I'll probably have other threads float to the top.
Scott
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