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I find this very worrying  [message #51887] Sun, 03 August 2008 13:07 Go to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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http://tiny.pl/2pc3

Granted that Israel is a country with fairly unique security problems, but would you accept this proposed legislation if it were in your country?

J F R


The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: I find this very worrying  [message #51889 is a reply to message #51887] Sun, 03 August 2008 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

Needs to get a life!

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I think the question is....

Would you accept the LEGISLATORS that dared to propose such intrusive measures?

Once these legislators enact something the CHOOSING part is long over.


Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
Re: I find this very worrying  [message #51890 is a reply to message #51887] Sun, 03 August 2008 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
E.J. is currently offline  E.J.

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some people will allow the government to intrude on their privacy in order to feel more secure.

The US government has been trying to establish a federal ID card for several years, but the states are fighting the proposals (mostly due to cost). The original proposal for the card included fingerprints and embedded heath records (really stupid). The excuse for the health records being on the card was it was supposed to be better to carry the info with you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/washington/29id.html


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Re: I find this very worrying  [message #51891 is a reply to message #51887] Sun, 03 August 2008 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
unsui is currently offline  unsui

Likes it here

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Re: I find this very worrying  [message #51903 is a reply to message #51887] Sun, 03 August 2008 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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I worry with you JFR,

I have tried people's patience with my diatribes against ID cards and the proposal that the 'authorities' can imprison you for 42 days without charge or redress. But it is 28 days already!

The trouble is that there are many unjust laws. Before we should agree to any mechanisms such as DNA databases and biometric data on ID cards we need to remove the unjust laws. For a dictatorship to succeed all that is necessary is to have sufficient laws that innocent citizens will break routinely and then the government can lock anyone up they like for lawbreaking.

That makes it possible for a Robert Mugabe to put all the opposition in jail for the week before an election.

The thing about many of the unjust laws, such as those once prohibiting homosexual acts, was that there was a very small chance of being caught. While the law was unenforceable it could be broken with impunity. If the government has every inch of town centre under surveillance from video cameras and can identify every citizen and knows where everyone is at all times because they are carrying a mobile telephone . . . . They will be better able to enforce the unjust laws.

Remember that in the USA the authorities can't keep you imprisoned without charge for more than two days. If you have friends and relations to stand up for you, arbitrary imprisonment doesn't occur in the USA (Guantanamo is a different matter). But in the UK there is nothing you can do about it.

And it looks as though Israel is going the same way.

I tremble with you JFR.

Love,
Anthony
Re: I find this very worrying  [message #51907 is a reply to message #51903] Sun, 03 August 2008 18:05 Go to previous message
marc is currently offline  marc

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http://www.inthelifetv.org/html/episodes/62.html

At the bottom of the list the segment "THE GREAT PINK SCARE" hits close to home for me and is not too far off the beam regarding this thread.

It was not a fun time for these three esteemed men... It was horrific for a 14 year old...

So keep in mind, it's not good to be too intrusive into peoples private lives.

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