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Buddhism  [message #51971] Wed, 06 August 2008 08:13 Go to next message
JFR is currently offline  JFR

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I have started a new thread because I fear that the very interesting discussion about Buddhism has rather hijacked Roger's original thread.

I try never to discuss anything about which I am ignorant, so I am not even going to try to relate to some of the very learned comments about Buddhism that have been posted. But I would like to ask a question that is surely pertinent to this forum:

What is the attitude of Buddhism to homosexuality? And, if anyone can give a reasonably authoritative answer, how do Hinduism and Confucianism relate to homosexuality - gays, lesbians, bi and trans?

I know this is going very far out, but what about animistic religions? How do they relate to GLBT?

An inquiring mind wants to know. Wink

J F R



The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
Re: Buddhism  [message #51972 is a reply to message #51971] Wed, 06 August 2008 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bonobo is currently offline  bonobo

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Buddhism is not very centralised so attitudes can differ a lot.

My tradition is Theravada (the Buddhism you find in Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos for example).

Here are two responses from teachers of my tradition to the question of homosexuality and sexual morality.

http://heartlandsg.org/2006/12/30/buddhism-and-homosexuality-reply-by-ven-dr-k-sri-dhammananda/

http://heartlandsg.org/2006/12/30/homosexuality-and-other-forms-of-queerness-excerpt-from-ajahn-brahm/

Both make it clear that in their view there is nothing in the Buddha's teaching to distinguish homosexuality from heterosexuality with regard to morality or spirituality. The only exception that has been proposed is that Buddha may have forbidden the ordination of gay men but no teacher I have met believes that is so.

I can't speak for other traditions, maybe there are some other Buddhists out there who can?

meta.

bonobo
Re: Buddhism  [message #51973 is a reply to message #51971] Wed, 06 August 2008 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
marc is currently offline  marc

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According to the Dali Lama, homosexuality is considered to go against the natural order and thus wrong.

The hindu text, Kama Sutra contains some few passages that relates to the instructional of sexual contact within the context of a male-male relationship.

The confucian alalects do not mention homosexuality.



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Re: Buddhism  [message #51986 is a reply to message #51971] Wed, 06 August 2008 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roger is currently offline  Roger

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Ok, we could really open a can of worms here but that would serve no real purpose. For the biggest part non of the "Life Philosophies" delt with sexuality. Any real problems concerning sexuality pretty much began with the Christian interpretations of scripture. The Greeks had no problem with it, the Romans had no problem with it. Buddah had no problem with it, The Hindus had no problem with it, the Karma Sutra gives instructions on how to seduce another man and how to have sex with him. The Hindu gods, Roman god, and Greek gods had homosexual relationships. In the American indian tradition gay men were considered to be closer to nature and the great spirit and were usually medicine men or shamens.

Remember "Life Philosophies" are not religions. They are mearly an attempt to center ones self to be at peace with the world around you. There are many buddist traditions and non that I know of are against homosexuality.

The religions that I can think of right off hand that are against homosexuals are Islam, Jewish, Christians and they all stem from one source. Isnt that interesting.

In China and Japan, Homosexuality was common place. In the Kabuki theater boys played girls and would rent themselves out to men to make extra money. This practice was stopped at one point but I understand it has resumed.

One of the things that really gets to me is that they have a documentary about Alexander the great, about how he was the greatest military mind in history and his tactics are still used today. But they dance all around the issue that he was queer as a 3 dollar bill. His lover was his best friend and general and a prince of Masidonia, but these people would rather die than come out and admit that Alexander was gay.

Enough of a rant for today, Hi JFR, hope things are quiet for you.



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Re: Buddhism  [message #51989 is a reply to message #51986] Thu, 07 August 2008 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acam is currently offline  acam

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Yes, Roger,

Christianity, Judaism and Islam (in no particular order) are the problem. And they, too, are the major groups that mutilate their male babies.

Love,
Anthony
Re: Buddhism  [message #51996 is a reply to message #51972] Thu, 07 August 2008 08:48 Go to previous message
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Thank you!

J F R



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