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I'm going to open a can of worms here. I know I'm going out on a limb and I'm probably the only person on this forum with this viewpoint. I can say that due the number of people that have already spoken on the subject. It's a subject that's even earned it's own place on Timmy's website. It is the subject of what Anthony refers too as "the mutilation of male babies" -ie, the practice of circumcision.
I know this is a practice that isn't common in the UK or in European countries where the uncircumcised penis is the norm. But I'll be frank. I think an uncircumcised penis looks like something that should be crawling around in the garden. To me there is nothing remotely aesthetically pleasing about the looks of a foreskin. In fact, it is so unappealing to me as to be an immediate turn off.
And I know all the verbiage that's been posted about desensitizing the penis by removing it's sheath. You only have to read Timmy's site about that to get an earful. But I think that's something that can't be proven. I know I have an abundance of sensation there. And I know it's retractable so you, supposedly, have the best of both worlds when you are uncircumcised. But guys, it's so damn ugly!
So, I guess I'm wondering if I'm the lone decenter here or if there are others that feel as I do. Damn, I can already see the vigilante forces gathering. 
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Bravo, Paul! I'm right behind you on this one. (But then I would be, I suppose.)
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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marc
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In the end you don't really have a view of the nasty thing.
It is when you are looking the monster straight on in the eye that you see it.
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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Fingolfin
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Hi there,
I have to say, that I really don't mind. Boys and guys are wonderful because of the mentality, faces, smiles, eyes... yes, that part is important, too, but as long as it works properly and brings you the most fantastic feelings, cut or uncut simply doesn't matter.
I'm uncircumsised, BTW.::-)
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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Hey, uncut Fingolfin! Welcome to the forum.
J F R
The paradox has often been noted that the United States, founded in secularism, is now the most religiose country in Christendom, while England, with an established church headed by its constitutional monarch, is among the least. (Richard Dawkins, 2006)
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Fingolfin
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Thx a lot JFR from Israel...
You're the very first to notice, that I'm a complete newbie here o the forum, however, I have read most of the sories on iomfats. Hmmmmm, I can't remember your name. You don't publish there, do you?
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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Hey Fingolfin,
Welcome, it is always nice to have some new views and faces on the forum 
"And so the lion fell in love with the Lamb"
"What a stupid Lamb"
"What a sick, masochistic lion"
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Well yes it would be a different stroke altogether, and you can play docking too... Oh well depravity I guess from too much.....
Paul
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Hi ya, Fingolfin. I wanna welcome you too. I think most guys were lurkers here before feeling comfortable enough to jump into the conversation. Glad you've taken the BIG step... lol.
And don't get me wrong. I'm not going to let a bit of skin get between me and a potential relationship. Not when it can be slid out of the way... 
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John..
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What utter rubbish.
I have foreskin and its a short one so when hard its goes back bye its self, and my cock is so hot and look kewl
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unsui
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No Message Body
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marc
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All of a sudden I am hungry for calimari.........
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I have no foreskin. I don't know what it would be like to have one.
Those that have a foreskin don't know what it would be like to be without one.
The same applies to any other body part (except those parts which come in pairs) and surely, in general, being with is likely to be better than being without. I never succeeded in finding out why I was circumcised and my younger brother was not. I always envied him the extra bit to play with (since it obviously was fun to play with!).
So I feel deprived. And as one can't do control experiments NOBODY can compare what being circumcised and being uncircumcised would be like for a single named person. Practically everyone who get circumcised as an adult does so because of some problem such as adhesion of the foreskin to the glans or phimosis or whatever.
So, I think it immoral to make the choice and circumcise your boy babies - you should let them decide what they want when they are old enough. I think that in practice more than 99% of uncircumcised men would choose to stay uncircumcised. I've never met one who wouldn't. And I've met many circumcised men who would prefer to have been left intact.
What little evidence there is seems to indicate that a circumcised glans is less sensitive than an uncircumcised one - not surprising since the circumcised one has no protective covering when rubbing against underwear etc.
Maybe these views may help to explain why Timmy and I and many others wish the practice of circumcision had been abandoned before we were born.
Love,
Anthony
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LMAO OH MY
People will tell you where they've gone
They'll tell you where to go
But till you get there yourself you never really know
Where some have found their paradise
Other's just come to harm
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I'm circumcised, my Father isn't, and neither is his father. I've never seen my maternal grandfather naked. My guess is he isn't. Dad told me it's for cleanliness and health. My Father has made the comment that he wishes he had been circumcised.
Eldon isn't, and same goes for all the men in his family. Eldon is nearly manic about keeping himself clean there. I've never noticed any really strong odor. Just the usual boy smell we all have.
Of course all of the Jewish boys we all know are.
Like others have mentioned, once it's hard, they all are the same anyway!
But remember the immortal words from "Mrs. Doubtfire"... "Never buy knishes from a mohel, oy, they're so chewy!"
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Paul wrote of the foreskin"
>But guys, it's so damn ugly!<
Paul. I can't let you get away with such a generalisation. Admittedly I do find some foreskins make for an ugly penis, but others make it beautiful in its completeness. For my own 'taste' I prefer a foreskin not to cover the glans completely, but to leave the tip with the 'eye' visible.
To the contrary I find the cut penis is often unaesthetic, but I have seen many exceptions to this. All I can say, and this is personal opinion, there is a higher percentage of ugly cut penises than of uncut ones. I can provide illustrations of each, but I don't think they would last long on the site.
I am grateful I was left intact, but that has also left me highly curious about cut boys, their appearance and their feelings.
We know that penises come in many sizes and the size queen is king - mixed metaphor intended, but they also come in various designs and shapes. Some are extremely beautiful, some are revoltingly ugly and they come of course in the stiff and flaccid format.
My father had to be circumsised in his late sixties because as a result if a botched hernia operation his foreskin 'died' and became gangrenous. It also cost him a testicle. Unfortunately I cannot bring myself to interrogate him on the matter. (He is now 87.)
Hugs
Nigel
I dream of boys with big bulges in their trousers,
Never of girls with big bulges in their blouses.
…and look forward to meeting you in Cóito.
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marc
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Whitewaterkid wrote:
> But remember the immortal words from "Mrs. Doubtfire"... "Never buy knishes from a mohel, oy, they're so chewy!"
The quote is.... "Never buy gribbinis from a mohel, oy, they're so chewy!"
Gribbinis is the chicken skin used for making schmultz or the traditional chicken fat used in Kosher Cooking
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Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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I dont think mine is ugly. I was born to small and they didnt want to cut me cause they were afraid of complications. My mom showed me how to skin it back and keep it clean, so I dont have any problems. Jeff is cut and his is nice and yes we have docked for fun. My forskin doesnt cover the head completely and when Im hard it looks like Im cut. Anyway I like things just like they are.
Sweet dreams till sunbeams find you......
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I have to say (and I'm not sure if that was the intention) I found your post rather unnecessarily antagonistic and rude towards those of us who aren't circumcised. Would you launch into a diatribe against fat people on this board, because you happened to think they look 'so damn ugly'? What exactly do you expect us to do about it?
It's only your opinion, and it is undoubtedly affected by the culture you were brought up in. Over here, where the norm is (for younger generations, at least) not to be circumcised, I've never heard anyone refer to the uncircumcised penis in those terms. When people think about it, they're more likely to see a circumcised penis as the result of an unnecessary cosmetic mutilation: rather like a docked dog's tail (that practice is thankfully now illegal in the vast majority of cases in the UK).
You're wrong when you say that the differences in sensitivity can't be proven; you only need to find people who have been circumcised in adulthood, and ask them. Those are the only people who can really know one way or the other. My personal belief, for what it's worth, is that the reason many circumcised people maintain so forcefully that they prefer it that way is that underneath they fear that they may actually have drawn the short straw. We have the advantage that we can always get circumcised if we want to, but you don't have that choice.
David
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Fingolfin
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Hi Paul,
well, BIG step or not, honestly, where else is the place to discuss such thing...?
But I'm glad it helped the discussion to develop.
F.
P.S. I assume that both Mick and Jer and Skull are cut in your cool story...
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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John..
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Hi David,
well said you have a wonderfull way with words. it hit the nail om the head.
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Fingolfin
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Hi,
thx for appreciation, however, I would like to know, whom do you mean by David  , I have this strange feeling that even if one of us is David, the name is not seen.
F.
It is better to switch on a small light than to curse the darkness.
- Vincent Šikula, Slovak writer
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I just like cock. Trimmed, untrimmed, every guy is different! My motto is "Hey, does that thing work? Bring it over here!" One thing I don't get off on is this fashion of trimming pubic hair and shaving there, and shaving body hair. I like my guys carpeted. Eldon is so funny! His hair is so blond and so fine, when he gets wet everything except his pubes and his underarm hair vanishes! Then as he dries off, he sort of "fluffs up" and gets hairy again!
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Of course, Deej,
It's so obvious that beauty is in the eye of the beholder that we didn't bother to point it out.
You won't be surprised to hear I think the uncut penis is more beautiful than the cut.
And I have certainly been surprised to hear cut men speaking as if they knew it was better to be that way.
But I don't think you could trust men who were circumcised as adults to be dispassionate about assessing the results. Surely they would have a medical or religious motive for having it done and the element of free choice about it isn't reliably present in either case.
And I do agree that circumcised men have drawn the 'short straw' as you put it!
Love,
Anthony
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Yes, Jon,
you are right! On other people it doesn't matter - as you say anything goes and as far as other people go I don't have a preference.
And the way the very fair go hairless when wet is one of their many attractive features. It makes it look bigger too! (And I think that's why some men shave or trim their pubes.)
Love,
Anthony
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timmy
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You know, I have no objection whatsoever to an adult choosing body modification. I simply loathe the operation performed on one who can not choose.
"Ugly" is in the mind of the beholder. Circumcised penises are more uniform. If you crave uniformity and that is your perception of the male genitalia at their most appealing, so be it.
Author of Queer Me! Halfway Between Flying and Crying - the true story of life for a gay boy in the Swinging Sixties in a British all male Public School
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Hi Anthony,
You said,
>I don't think you could trust men who were circumcised as adults to be dispassionate about assessing the results. Surely they would have a medical or religious motive for having it done
I should have added "as the result of free choice" -- it is possible for informed adults to choose it for medical reasons, where it wouldn't be absolutely necessary otherwise, and people can also choose a religion in adulthood. Where people had no choice in the matter, however, you're absolutely right that their opinion may well be skewed.
That there are very few people who have had, or would have it done in adulthood through free choice only goes to demonstrate that, really, there isn't any convincing reason to have it done, once those for whom the matter was taken out of their hands (those who had it done as babies, or those with strong religious or medical pressure to have it done) are discounted.
David
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