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what cultural anomalies?
Life is great for me... Most of the time... But then I meet people online... Very few are real friends... Many say they are but know nothing of what it means... Some say they are, but are so shallow...
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This graph is too restrictive in my view. While I'm not promoting adding other sexual deviant behavior to this graph, how can it not be ignored? The premise is about sexual leanings is it not? Then so, then transsexuals and yes even sexual predators must be added to this list. This graph should probably even include serial killers bent on sexual gratification. Hold fast the criticism, but in human sexuality the deviance is amongst the precieved norm. If one were to try and break down the figures and apply them to such graph would it bear out to genetics? Child raising? Natural selection then? Please bear in mind I DO NOT PROMOTE THE APPARENT ADDED members to this projected graph, I only think it is biased without it being considered in the course of human sexuality. I apologize fore handed if this causes concern,or offends it was not my intent to do so.
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I'm not sure I understand the chart, but what I see is two dimensional, and that will always be less than perfect.
Human sexual orientation includes many other facets, and your diagram is a subset. Add to it such diverse items as people aroused (only, or in combination with):- Location
- Building
- Music
- scent
- Role (as in role played by self or partner(s))
- Number of participants
- Public places
- Private places
- Animals (participating or present)
- Pain (giving or receiving)
- Only with a certain talisman present
- More... much more....
A man very well known in his field as a sexual specialist psychotherapist told me that the spectrum of human sexuality is pretty much infinite. He is a man of both learning and practical experience and I see every reason to explore his thoughts on the matter.
I'm not sure one can chart that.
For those who find this list hard to identify with, put yourself in your favourite sexual situation, and tick which of the additional areas your would like to be present, and then tick which are necessary.
Consider a separate list of things which actually arouse you. Is there a particular scent, piece of music, location that, for whatever reason, you feel either aroused by, or are easier to arouse when that stimulus is present? And if there is not, ask yourself this: "Have I ever masturbated more than a few times to a favourite photo or video?" If you have then you have at least one thing on this spectrum that is not purely a scale containing simple gender orientation.
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Dear Timmy,
you stole my subject name! I, too, think Michael's diagram is too simple. As well as the range of features you list (some of which I'd almost class as fetishes); there are many others:
People can also be put on a scale from loving to brutal.
There is some kind of a scale between partnerships which are between equals and those where one is dominant and the other submissive (cf heterosexual relationships in, say, Boston, Mass and Kabul under the Taliban).
There is the question of the difference in ages.
There is the huge problem of compatibility of religion - and not just religion but any other rigidly held and incompatible beliefs. (Could you be in love with someone who seriously believed in astrology? I couldn't.)
As keeps coming up on this board there is the question about the views of the social environment in which people live. I would have had a different life if I had been born into a society that accepted homosexuality. The President of Iran thinks Iran contains no homosexuals (what are their laws against it for?) but what does that say about a young homosexual's choices of life in Iran?
The interesting question in designing such a chart is which selection of differences gives the most useful classification for people to use on themselves and others.
I'm reminded of the sociologists diagram with two axes; one from tough to tender minded and the other from soft to hard hearted. I come out as very soft hearted and very tough minded and I like and fall in love with people like me (male and female).
I'm also a sucker for questionnaires that purport to analyse one's character. You find them on web sites that offer you the hope of a compatible partner or to tell you where you are on the gay-straight axis. Most of such tests are quite hopeless for that purpose.
Perhaps I ought to produce one of my own.
Love,
Anthony
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The chart seems contrived to me. You've decided that bi-sexuality is the status towards which human sexuality will ultimately reach. Yet what do you base this on other than your own bi-sexuality and the one article you posted for the forum?
Rather than draw a chart to point towards an area of your preference, try listing all the facets of sexuality that you can; then find a way to place them in a chart so that they interconnect and logically flow one from the other. Now, if that were an easy task, I think we'd have seen such a chart by now. But don't let that discourage you, there is nothing lost in the attempt. I think what you will end up with though is something considerably more than a simple pie chart.
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I'm not denying that it's probably a good start, though I truly do not understand it. I wonder how much of human sexual response is a learned behaviour?
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I think there is probably a queue!
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